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by **rdrsfn82** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:47 pm

john lewis wrote:I wouldn't go that far. Sins Past was a horrible idea while Final Crisis was a possibly good idea done as bad as possible. What not to put in a comic vs. how not to write a comic.

I totally agree with this. FC has neat ideas and I really really wanted to like it after the first 3 issues, but something was missing. Then it just got worse and worse as it went along and the important things that were skipped and left in other books or that happened off panel, the characters didn't have unique voices, the emotional impact that should have accompanied various developments didn't exist, and the whole thing got delayed and ended up a huge mess. The editors, artist, and writer all combined to take neat ideas and make it fall apart.

Sins Past was just a horrible idea that never should have seen the light of day.

by **Jack Burton** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:44 pm

Grant Morrison has written a lot of great stuff but the way people react about Final Crisis you'd think he was a reviled author like Austen, or Mackie. He wrote a shitty event and people are way to upset about it.

by **Lord Simian** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:48 pm

Jack Burton wrote:Grant Morrison has written a lot of great stuff but the way people react about Final Crisis you'd think he was a reviled author like Austen, or Mackie. He wrote a shitty event and people are way to upset about it.

Is this the beginning of his Bendis Backlash?

by **Dooz** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:14 pm

I understand that mid-March, DC staffers are expecting a second wave of redundancies. Two or three mid-level editors and a few in advertising sales.

Yeah, advertising's a bitch right now, I'm right in the middle of it. My sympathies to all similarly affected

motherfuck...I'm planning on applying to both Marvel and DC's ad departments in a few months...

maybe thats not going to go too well.

by **b.lumpkin** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:52 pm

Lord Simian wrote:Is this the beginning of his Bendis Backlash?

we could call it his 'House of M'
and by 'house' i mean pile and by 'm' i mean shit

by **Cat-Scratch** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:20 pm

Lord Simian wrote:Is this the beginning of his Bendis Backlash?

Bendis Backlash....sounds like a cheap bourbon whiskey.

by **Zechs** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:07 am

Damn.. just read the Moose part in LiTG. Honestly what did the poor man do? Moose is one of the best colorists out there in the business. Everytime I go to Wizardworld Chicago first thing I do is go see the man and his sheets cause damn he has some great stuff colored from all over the place. It's a damn shame DC continues to treat this dude like garbage.

It pissed me off last year to know he wasn't gonna be on Blackest Night and they took him off GL books. Sad that he won't be involved with Flash Rebirth. I mean the dude's coloring on that teaser ruled. Oh well.. *sigh*

by **Kent Horton** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:23 am

Final Crisis started off slow, but rocked hardcore by the end. The haters can shove it.

And it was pretty simple to follow.

by **Juan Cena** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:41 am

Punchy wrote:It was worse, Sins Past was bad, but it was straight up bad, simple.

Final Crisis was so confusing that you had to think about it, and once you'd worked it out, it was still really bad, so not only was it bad, but it wasted your time even more.

Final Crisis sucked because it made you think? :smt017

by **Juan Cena** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:42 am

Kent Horton wrote:Final Crisis started off slow, but rocked hardcore by the end. The haters can shove it.

And it was pretty simple to follow.

Oh my gosh! We agree on something!

by **Punchy** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:14 am

The Nacireman wrote:Final Crisis sucked because it made you think?

It made me think, and once I'd thought about it, it sucked even more, do you see what I mean? If I was a moron and just didn't get it, then it'd suck, but because I sat and worked through it, I realised that it was even worse, the story was confusing, and once you know what the story actually is, it still sucked!

by **Skyrider** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:58 pm

If Didio has a problem with Moose he's an idiot.

Moose's colors helped make Sinestro Corps War the incredible piece of art it was. If he's not on Blackest Night the entire story is going to suffer.

He's as much a part of that event as Ivan Reis Geoff Johns or EVS!

by **Zechs** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:17 pm

Skyrider wrote:If Didio has a problem with Moose he's an idiot.

Moose's colors helped make Sinestro Corps War the incredible piece of art it was. If he's not on Blackest Night the entire story is going to suffer.

He's as much a part of that event as Ivan Reis Geoff Johns or EVS!

And again he's the nicest dude in the world. Ever since I met him two years ago if he's at a comic con he'll be the first person I'll go visit. Then probably that goddamn McKeever.

by **Cat-Scratch** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:17 pm

Zechs wrote:And again he's the nicest dude in the world. Ever since I met him two years ago if he's at a comic con he'll be the first person I'll go visit. Then probably that goddamn McKeever.

McKeever's eating addictions needs your money. That and you broke his fav flying monkey...