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[Lord Simian]

Today. But for all their success theyve ruined a lot of characters

How so? Has previous years worth of stories ceased to exist? Not as in, the character remembering them, but as in did the books in your longboxes disappear? Or can no one ever write superman as anything other than Ultimate Peter Parker again?

You can't "ruin" something like a comic book character, like you could a sandwich (roasting a sandwich ruins it, to me).

[habitual]

[quote="Lord Simian"][quote="holtom2000"]

If that were true you wouldn't have a message board.

Hab

ps PM me about sandwiches as well

[Lord Simian]

If that were true you wouldn't have a message board.

Hab

ps PM me about sandwiches as well

Of course I would.

I just would have one with FAR FAR FAR less posts.

And I stand by my sandwich comment. A toasted sandwich (toast, not roast, stupid autocorrect!) is a ruined sandwich.

[habitual]

Also, change that diaper and go back to bed.

It's Saturday

Hab

[nietoperz]

Toasted cheese sandwiches are lovely. That is all.

[Jubilee]

Tuna and cheese melts are amazing.

[Amoebas]

I'm still Not Impressed by what is a marketing-manufactured sales spike.

These books didn't earn those sales through quality -- or in their case, lack thereof -- but by the "new car" smell that's on them, and the popularity of certain creative teams. Almost everyone here agrees that Justice League is crap, but it sells well, and that's because it has "Geoff Johns and Jim Lee! " on the cover. Everyone, buy the name brand, even if it is garbage!

Some of you crow over high sales, but you fail to examine WHY the sales are high.
"WHY" is important.

Not here it isn't You just want to dismiss the success because it goes against the silly "I must make them notice me because they are evil" life choice you've made for yourself.

"sales spike"? - Paint it as simple as you want to fit your idiom, but DC's sales spike is almost a year old. In my opinion, that's not a "spike" that's a "success".

"it is garbage" - The sales would indicate that 'one person's garbage is another man's treasure' (or in this case 'a LOT of people's treasure').

[Herald]

You can't "ruin" something like a comic book character, like you could a sandwich (roasting a sandwich ruins it, to me).

Oh, really?? Try to imagine the villain Dr. Light as anything other than a one-note rapist.

"Once you’ve had the image of Dr. Light hammering away at Sue Dibny’s ruptured rear end burned into your neurons, it’s hard to write him as one more cackling gimmick villain."
- Grant Morrison

How characters act colors the audience's view of them. If Superman started constantly doing horrific villainous things like mass murder, of his own volition, without any outside influence whatsoever, could you really think of him as a hero?? Of course not. The incessant villainy would ruin his reputation as a hero. Heck, that's precisely what happened to Superboy Prime; do you think of HIM as a hero anymore?? OF COURSE NOT.

Characters CAN be ruined.
Especially with Dan and the Gang on the case.

[Herald]

Not here it isn't

"Why" is ALWAYS important. Without it, you lack anything but a basic, surface comprehension of what's happening.

Of course, the DiDio era cultivates product that salutes surface appearances and neglects depth (of the characters, etc.), so I'm not at all surprised that their defenders do the same...

"sales spike"? - Paint it as simple as you want to fit your idiom, but DC's sales spike is almost a year old. In my opinion, that's not a "spike" that's a "success".

As with DiDio-era DC, you're thinking short-term when you should be thinking long-term. These sales are already falling; they can't coast on "The New 52!" concept forever, especially when "New"-ness simply doesn't last.

"it is garbage" - The sales would indicate that 'one person's garbage is another man's treasure' (or in this case 'a LOT of people's treasure').

As with a certain creator's recent claim about the high sales of the '90s, you see a hype-induced surge in sales, and claim that it must be a demonstration of quality. Again, this is all surface, all veneer, showing no real depth of understanding on your part.

"WHY" is ALWAYS important.

[Lord Simian]

Oh, really?? Try to imagine the villain Dr. Light as anything other than a one-note rapist.

"Once you’ve had the image of Dr. Light hammering away at Sue Dibny’s ruptured rear end burned into your neurons, it’s hard to write him as one more cackling gimmick villain."
- Grant Morrison

How characters act colors the audience's view of them. If Superman started constantly doing horrific villainous things like mass murder, of his own volition, without any outside influence whatsoever, could you really think of him as a hero?? Of course not. The incessant villainy would ruin his reputation as a hero. Heck, that's precisely what happened to Superboy Prime; do you think of HIM as a hero anymore?? OF COURSE NOT.

Characters CAN be ruined.
Especially with Dan and the Gang on the case.

Nope, you're wrong. I can think of Light as a real villain, I can read my old pre-COIE issues and not think of a mass murderer when I see prime, I can enjoy a story and a character without thinking "gasp! In another story, BatFrog raped a horse, so he'll never be of any story value again!"

And if a writer, even Fanboy's beloved Saint Morrison says he can't write characters once they've been "ruined"... Then that's lazy writing.

[GHERU]

IIRC - we would see DC sales drop way below pre-NuDC levels once retailers could no longer return unsold books. when does that happen?