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by **achilles** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:16 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
Or they could understand that he chose to end his life on his own terms instead of waiting to suffer and languish in the medical system...

I can say from sad experience that watching a loved one die slowly from cancer, in pain, and unable to do even the most basic things for themselves, robbed of all dignity---is very hard on the family.

I don't necessarily endorse what he did, but I can understand it. In any event, it isn't for me or anyone else to condemn him. Perhaps only his family can do that.

by **KHUXFORD** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:25 pm

Ntikrst wrote:
Because nothing says "I loved you" like a suicide note...

Yes it was an inevitable transition and as a father, tony handled it in the most responsible manner possible by leaving notes behind in the fucking car. Who needs gradual progression? Certainly not young kids, I mean they always process things instantly and never leave things unsaid...

Maybe if you say what you mean the first (second or third) time you say something, we won't have any misunderstandings. Or is the point that you just want to twist things around as often as possible with as many people as possible?

by **Cat-Scratch** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:32 pm

by **syxxpakk** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:15 pm

According to TMZ, the family is saying he didn't have brain cancer.

by **Ntikrst** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:18 pm

KHUXFORD wrote:
Maybe if you say what you mean the first (second or third) time you say something, we won't have any misunderstandings. Or is the point that you just want to twist things around as often as possible with as many people as possible?

What is so difficult to grasp? Fathers who commit suicide are cowardly fuckwads, period.

I'm really sorry if elaboration easily confuses you but any misunderstandings we may have, is no sweat off my sack. :lol:

by **Ntikrst** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:30 pm

achilles wrote:
I can say from sad experience that watching a loved one die slowly from cancer, in pain, and unable to do even the most basic things for themselves, robbed of all dignity---is very hard on the family.

I don't necessarily endorse what he did, but I can understand it. In any event, it isn't for me or anyone else to condemn him. Perhaps only his family can do that.

I would respectfully argue that while death is hard on a family, families of terminally ill people have an easier transition when they get to that point where they realize the quality of life is truly gone and in fact it would be a blessing when they are finally taken. Sure it sucks for the dying patient but their family is almost glad to see them pass on.

They won't get that when a seemingly heathy relative commits suicide in order to preserve their precious dignity. As far as Euthanasia goes, quality of life has to get reallllly bad first, IMNSHO. :wink:

by **Arion** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:33 pm

achilles wrote:
I can say from sad experience that watching a loved one die slowly from cancer, in pain, and unable to do even the most basic things for themselves, robbed of all dignity---is very hard on the family.

I don't necessarily endorse what he did, but I can understand it. In any event, it isn't for me or anyone else to condemn him. Perhaps only his family can do that.

I understand it too.
And yes, it's not up to us to say if he did something right or wrong.

by **Royal Nonesuch** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:56 pm

syxxpakk wrote:According to TMZ, the family is saying he didn't have brain cancer.

Yup, Deadline is saying the same thing.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/08/tony-scott-did-not-have-brain-cancer/

by **kingbeavis** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:40 am

Arion wrote:
I understand it too.
And yes, it's not up to us to say if he did something right or wrong.

Except for killing yourself in front of several witnesses. That part is wrong. Those people didn't ask for that and they will never forget watching that happen.

by **KHUXFORD** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:52 am

Ntikrst wrote:
What is so difficult to grasp? Fathers who commit suicide are cowardly fuckwads, period.

I'm really sorry if elaboration easily confuses you but any misunderstandings we may have, is no sweat off my sack.

Since my statement was that you should have elaborated on your point, instead of it taking several posts to put it together and then reacting as if people who responded to you previously expressed disagreement with what you stated afterwards, I find it fucking hilarious that you'd say elaboration confuses me. But you go back to checking your sack for sweat, chuckles.

by **KHUXFORD** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:54 am

Ntikrst wrote:
I would respectfully argue that while death is hard on a family, families of terminally ill people have an easier transition when they get to that point where they realize the quality of life is truly gone and in fact it would be a blessing when they are finally taken. Sure it sucks for the dying patient but their family is almost glad to see them pass on.

They won't get that when a seemingly heathy relative commits suicide in order to preserve their precious dignity. As far as Euthanasia goes, quality of life has to get reallllly bad first, IMNSHO.

I get it: everyone but the dying person needs to have their feelings on the matter taken into account. So, is this the "it's not legitimate terminal illness" argument?

by **habitual** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:56 am

kingbeavis wrote:
Except for killing yourself in front of several witnesses. That part is wrong. Those people didn't ask for that and they will never forget watching that happen.

Watching someone jump off of a bridge isn't really that scarring.

Hab

by **habitual** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:58 am

Ntikrst wrote:
I would respectfully argue that while death is hard on a family, families of terminally ill people have an easier transition when they get to that point where they realize the quality of life is truly gone and in fact it would be a blessing when they are finally taken. Sure it sucks for the dying patient but their family is almost glad to see them pass on.

They won't get that when a seemingly heathy relative commits suicide in order to preserve their precious dignity. As far as Euthanasia goes, quality of life has to get reallllly bad first, IMNSHO.

It's pretty easy to tell from this post that it's not something you've ever had to deal with....

Hab

by **kingbeavis** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:35 pm

habitual wrote:
Watching someone jump off of a bridge isn't really that scarring.

Hab

I watched someone fall from the top of an arena to a wrestling ring and die and I can still remember every detail.

by **Ntikrst** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:54 pm

habitual wrote:
If Jobs had actual medical treatment instead of some hippy alternate medicine he'd still be alive.

Hab, I know from the Trayvon Martin thread you like to twist logic to suit your argument, but now you're completely off base. I'm not sure if you're ignorant or if you're just acting obtuse.

There is no proven treatment for pancreatic cancer, it has very poor survival rates regardless of what stage it's detected and when it metastasizes, it's game over. Of all the cancers to get, Pancreatic is arguably the worst.

habitual wrote:
It's pretty easy to tell from this post that it's not something you've ever had to deal with....

Hab

Sure it is Hab, I'm 40 years old. I've kissed three people goodbye while they were on their death beds. It's really hard to look someone in the eye, tell them you love them and not loose your shit because you know and they know in that exchanged glance that you won't be seeing that person ever again. Then you walk into the hallway or the parking lot and loose your shit.

Dying people won't have issues to deal with later on, that's something for the living to deal with. So it's up to the dying to make sure they make the inevitable transition as easy as possible for their surviving dependants.