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It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby UnionJack » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:56 pm

Yes, Baron would have to be in. They do make a good team.

Ladronn is just ace.

Waid's Legion was shockingly bad, not what you'd expect from a usually reliable writer. Daredevil is so good & really looking forward to Hulk. Absolutely hated 5YG though so still the worst for me.

I don't really dislike the current LSH (think Lost is very poor though) it's just not good enough for me to keep buying. It's better than it has been for many years but I'm at a point where I'm no longer prepared to buy comics unless I really enjoy them. Sad, as I love the Legion and just wish it could be great again. It's got too good a universe with great characters to be squandered the way it has been for decades.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:15 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:5YG was not the worst LoSH. Waid's Threeboot was the worst. 5YG was the second worst.


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Me first. I have tons of ideas. The Legion visiting worlds with varying levels of tech. They'd go to a Wild West-like world one story, and a steampunk world the next.

Or reintroducing Laurel Gand as a Daxamite-human hybrid with Pre-Crisis E-2 Power Girl power levels, and an immunity to lead.

Or having Cosmic Boy mysteriously replaced by his Threeboot vesion (or some Multiverse version thereof).

Or The Infinite Man/Time Trapper/Glorith zapping a good chunk of the team's old line back to their teen years. With teenage behavior to go along with it.

Or finding a way to get Supergirl to bypass the time-travel ban and have her visit the 31st century every so often. Hell teenage Briany's hormones!

Oh what fun.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:16 pm

UnionJack wrote:Yes, Baron would have to be in. They do make a good team.

Ladronn is just ace.

Waid's Legion was shockingly bad, not what you'd expect from a usually reliable writer. Daredevil is so good & really looking forward to Hulk. Absolutely hated 5YG though so still the worst for me.


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[/quote]I don't really dislike the current LSH (think Lost is very poor though) it's just not good enough for me to keep buying. It's better than it has been for many years but I'm at a point where I'm no longer prepared to buy comics unless I really enjoy them. Sad, as I love the Legion and just wish it could be great again. It's got too good a universe with great characters to be squandered the way it has been for decades.[/quote]
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Strict31 wrote:I'm not sure that combining the nigh-uncontrollable power of LOLtron with the Nacireman is a good idea. Some years from now, when mankind is on the verge of extinction, we'll be able to look back and remember this moment, and say, "DANG."


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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:59 pm

And the news just isn't getting better.

113 - THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES
07/2007: Supergirl & LoSH #32 -- 29,826
07/2008: LoSH #43 -- 27,531
07/2008: LoSH #44 -- 29,954
07/2010: LoSH #3 -- 36,360
---------------------------------------
07/2011: LoSH #15 -- 21,788 (- 3.6%)
08/2011: LoSH #16 -- 21,373 (- 1.9%)
09/2011: LoSH #1 -- 50,402 (+135.8%) [58,325]
10/2011: LoSH #2 -- 47,227 (- 6.3%)
11/2011: LoSH #3 -- 34,979 (- 25.9%)
12/2011: LoSH #4 -- 27,832 (- 20.4%)
01/2012: LoSH #5 -- 25,624 (- 7.9%)
02/2012: LoSH #6 -- 23,428 (- 8.6%)
03/2012: LoSH #7 -- 21,894 (- 6.6%)
04/2012: LoSH #8 -- 21,457 (- 2.0%)
05/2012: LoSH #9 -- 20,854 (- 2.8%)
06/2012: LoSH #10 -- 19,963 (- 4.3%)
07/2012: LoSH #11 -- 19,421 (- 2.7%)
-----------------
6 months: - 24.2%
1 year : - 10.9%
2 years : - 46.6%
5 years : - 34.9%

Levelling out, evidently.

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http://www.comicsbeat.com/2012/09/10/dc ... ly-2012-2/[/url]

"Reviving" the "Real" Legion has been a total abortion. It's a total critical and financial flop.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:36 am

And now Legion numbers are now below 19,000

134 - THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES
08/2007: Supergirl & LoSH #33 -- 29,315
08/2008: LoSH #45 -- 25,783
08/2010: LoSH #4 -- 34,239
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08/2011: LoSH #16 -- 21,373 (- 1.9%)
09/2011: LoSH #1 -- 50,402 (+135.8%) [58,325]
10/2011: LoSH #2 -- 47,227 (- 6.3%)
11/2011: LoSH #3 -- 34,979 (- 25.9%)
12/2011: LoSH #4 -- 27,832 (- 20.4%)
01/2012: LoSH #5 -- 25,624 (- 7.9%)
02/2012: LoSH #6 -- 23,428 (- 8.6%)
03/2012: LoSH #7 -- 21,894 (- 6.6%)
04/2012: LoSH #8 -- 21,457 (- 2.0%)
05/2012: LoSH #9 -- 20,854 (- 2.8%)
06/2012: LoSH #10 -- 19,963 (- 4.3%)
07/2012: LoSH #11 -- 19,421 (- 2.7%)
08/2012: LoSH #12 -- 18,907 (- 2.7%)
-----------------
6 months: - 19.3%
1 year : - 11.5%
2 years : - 44.8%
5 years : - 35.5%

As far as the “New 52″ are concerned, these numbers are relatively steady.


http://comicsbeat.com/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-august-2012/

Steady? Steadily getting worse.

I'd love to see the classic Legions fans defend the revival after this.
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Strict31 wrote:I'm not sure that combining the nigh-uncontrollable power of LOLtron with the Nacireman is a good idea. Some years from now, when mankind is on the verge of extinction, we'll be able to look back and remember this moment, and say, "DANG."


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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby UnionJack » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:29 pm

Sad to see, but after dropping both Legion titles from my pull list I suppose I'm not helping.

I just want the classic Levitz/Giffen/Baxter Series Legion back
:-(

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby spidertour02 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:33 pm

UnionJack wrote:Sad to see, but after dropping both Legion titles from my pull list I suppose I'm not helping.


Legion Lost just got cancelled anyway ...
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:13 pm

The Nacireman wrote:And now Legion numbers are now below 19,000

134 - THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES
08/2007: Supergirl & LoSH #33 -- 29,315
08/2008: LoSH #45 -- 25,783
08/2010: LoSH #4 -- 34,239
---------------------------------------
08/2011: LoSH #16 -- 21,373 (- 1.9%)
09/2011: LoSH #1 -- 50,402 (+135.8%) [58,325]
10/2011: LoSH #2 -- 47,227 (- 6.3%)
11/2011: LoSH #3 -- 34,979 (- 25.9%)
12/2011: LoSH #4 -- 27,832 (- 20.4%)
01/2012: LoSH #5 -- 25,624 (- 7.9%)
02/2012: LoSH #6 -- 23,428 (- 8.6%)
03/2012: LoSH #7 -- 21,894 (- 6.6%)
04/2012: LoSH #8 -- 21,457 (- 2.0%)
05/2012: LoSH #9 -- 20,854 (- 2.8%)
06/2012: LoSH #10 -- 19,963 (- 4.3%)
07/2012: LoSH #11 -- 19,421 (- 2.7%)
08/2012: LoSH #12 -- 18,907 (- 2.7%)
-----------------
6 months: - 19.3%
1 year : - 11.5%
2 years : - 44.8%
5 years : - 35.5%

As far as the “New 52″ are concerned, these numbers are relatively steady.


http://comicsbeat.com/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-august-2012/

Steady? Steadily getting worse.

I'd love to see the classic Legions fans defend the revival after this.


Low sales... how long until the Legion gets cancelled?

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:15 pm

UnionJack wrote:Sad to see, but after dropping both Legion titles from my pull list I suppose I'm not helping.

I just want the classic Levitz/Giffen/Baxter Series Legion back
:-(


At this point I think a reprint of the golden era Legion would sell better. They could even do something like X-Men Classics, reprinting material and adding a bonus story for a cheap price.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:33 pm

Arion wrote:
At this point I think a reprint of the golden era Legion would sell better. They could even do something like X-Men Classics, reprinting material and adding a bonus story for a cheap price.


What DC needs to do is looks at the classic Legion stories and see what made them work. Number one was good, artwork by an artist who 1) drew in a more realistic than cartoonish manner, and had a strong design sense, and 2) A younger team that expressed vibrancy and exuberance.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:55 pm

The Nacireman wrote:
What DC needs to do is looks at the classic Legion stories and see what made them work. Number one was good, artwork by an artist who 1) drew in a more realistic than cartoonish manner, and had a strong design sense, and 2) A younger team that expressed vibrancy and exuberance.


Bad art instantly puts me off. Same with bad writing.
DC should really make an effort with the Legion.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:00 pm

Arion wrote:
Bad art instantly puts me off. Same with bad writing.
DC should really make an effort with the Legion.


It was pretty much given to Levitz as part of his retirement deal, so the story goes.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:10 pm

The Nacireman wrote:
It was pretty much given to Levitz as part of his retirement deal, so the story goes.


I know.

And we know what that means.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:18 pm

Here's a shock: Sales went up for the zero issue. Don't know if it was due to Kollins fans picking the book up, or if it was just because it was a zero issue, or what.

109 - THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES
09/2007: Supergirl & LoSH #34 -- 28,294
09/2008: LoSH #46 -- 24,959
09/2010: LoSH #5 -- 32,417
---------------------------------------
09/2011: LoSH #1 -- 50,402 (+135.8%) [58,325]
10/2011: LoSH #2 -- 47,227 (- 6.3%)
11/2011: LoSH #3 -- 34,979 (- 25.9%)
12/2011: LoSH #4 -- 27,832 (- 20.4%)
01/2012: LoSH #5 -- 25,624 (- 7.9%)
02/2012: LoSH #6 -- 23,428 (- 8.6%)
03/2012: LoSH #7 -- 21,894 (- 6.6%)
04/2012: LoSH #8 -- 21,457 (- 2.0%)
05/2012: LoSH #9 -- 20,854 (- 2.8%)
06/2012: LoSH #10 -- 19,963 (- 4.3%)
07/2012: LoSH #11 -- 19,421 (- 2.7%)
08/2012: LoSH #12 -- 18,907 (- 2.7%)
09/2012: LoSH #0 -- 21,561 (+ 14.0%)
-----------------
6 months: - 1.5%
1 year : - 57.2%
2 years : - 33.5%
5 years : - 23.8%


http://comicsbeat.com/dc-month-to-month-sales-september-2012/
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:29 pm

UnionJack wrote:Yes, Baron would have to be in. They do make a good team.

Ladronn is just ace.

Waid's Legion was shockingly bad, not what you'd expect from a usually reliable writer. Daredevil is so good & really looking forward to Hulk. Absolutely hated 5YG though so still the worst for me.

I don't really dislike the current LSH (think Lost is very poor though) it's just not good enough for me to keep buying. It's better than it has been for many years but I'm at a point where I'm no longer prepared to buy comics unless I really enjoy them. Sad, as I love the Legion and just wish it could be great again. It's got too good a universe with great characters to be squandered the way it has been for decades.


The first 12 issues of Waid's run are pretty solid, I'd say.

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