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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby habitual » Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:04 pm

The New Deadwardians was excellent.

And haha@thedudethatdoesn'tknowshitaboutmarvelcosmic

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:51 pm

habitual wrote:The New Deadwardians was excellent.

And haha@thedudethatdoesn'tknowshitaboutmarvelcosmic

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So because Marvel cosmic was awesome, it means everything D&A does is awesome. Fallacy of logic. Even Spielberg has clunkers and films that don't work on all cylinders.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby UnionJack » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:56 am

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I absolutely loved Abnett and Lanning's Legion Lost.


Never actually read that. I missed the first two issues (got 3-12) but for some reason at the time, those two issues were hard to find and were commanding high prices, so I never got them and hence didn't read the rest of it. Always meant to see if I could get them or buy the trade but never got round to it....

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby habitual » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:24 pm

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So because Marvel cosmic was awesome, it means everything D&A does is awesome. Fallacy of logic. Even Spielberg has clunkers and films that don't work on all cylinders.


The New Deadwardians was just Dan and what you stated makes no sense. And I think D&A did good work on Marvel Cosmic, but, it was awesome because of Giffen.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:26 pm

habitual wrote:
The New Deadwardians was just Dan and what you stated makes no sense. And I think D&A did good work on Marvel Cosmic, but, it was awesome because of Giffen.

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You're seemingly trying to sell me on three creators who have disappointed me in the past, then mocking me because I didn't read something they collaborated on together.

I've never been crazy of Giffen's post-1983 stuff. D&A haven't quite rocked my boat. Excuse me if I didn't want to read something they did together.

I'm willing to check some Marvel Cosmic trades out if I can find them (preferably cheap), but I'm not holding my breath that I'll be knocked over by them.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:05 am

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Never actually read that. I missed the first two issues (got 3-12) but for some reason at the time, those two issues were hard to find and were commanding high prices, so I never got them and hence didn't read the rest of it. Always meant to see if I could get them or buy the trade but never got round to it....


As a matter of fact, I bought issues 1, 2 and 12 last year, 1 was 8 bucks I think and 12 was 10 or 11 bucks. There's a HC now, that should be really easy to get. Issue 11 is probably one of my favorites.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:08 am

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Legion Lost happened whei was kind of out of comics, so I haven't gotten much of a chance to experience it. That said, I read Legion of the D***ed and wasn't blown away.

Then again, I've never been a huge fan of D&A going back to when they blew up Avengers West Coast and turned it into Force Works. They're ideas seem to be more interesting then their writing is. I read Hypernaturals more for the post-singularity concept than I do for the any fondness for the characters.


Well, let me say that Force Works is very likely the lowest point in DnA's career.
Did you read their 36-37 issues of THE LEGION?

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby UnionJack » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:15 am

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Well, let me say that Force Works is very likely the lowest point in DnA's career.
Did you read their 36-37 issues of THE LEGION?


Didn't realise Force Works was DnA - it was awful. Shows how enthralled I must have been to not even notice who wrote it.
Still, it was the beginning of a low point generally for Marvel when they managed somehow to turn their entire line to shit.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:54 am

Arion wrote:
Well, let me say that Force Works is very likely the lowest point in DnA's career.
Did you read their 36-37 issues of THE LEGION?


I was mostly out of comics around that time. Didn't really come back until the threeboot was up and running. Thought I had mentioned that a long time ago.

I did read the Legion of the D***ed thing DC put out about a year ago. Been waiting on Legion Lost to come out in TPB.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:58 am

UnionJack wrote:
Didn't realise Force Works was DnA - it was awful. Shows how enthralled I must have been to not even notice who wrote it.
Still, it was the beginning of a low point generally for Marvel when they managed somehow to turn their entire line to shit.


That was really when it was making bad decisions like buying Fleer and Malibu and Heroes' World (I think it was HW).
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:28 pm

UnionJack wrote:
Didn't realise Force Works was DnA - it was awful. Shows how enthralled I must have been to not even notice who wrote it.
Still, it was the beginning of a low point generally for Marvel when they managed somehow to turn their entire line to shit.


That was a bad BAD era for Marvel.

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I was mostly out of comics around that time. Didn't really come back until the threeboot was up and running. Thought I had mentioned that a long time ago.

I did read the Legion of the D***ed thing DC put out about a year ago. Been waiting on Legion Lost to come out in TPB.


Yeah, you said that, but I don't have the best memory (I'm aging badly).
I hope it comes out on tpb, you gotta buy it.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:40 pm

And the news just isn't getting any better, sales wise. The #0 issue did squat for the book, in fact the sales now lower than the issue BEFORE the #0 issue.
132 - THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES
10/2007: Supergirl & LoSH #35 -- 27,370
10/2008: LoSH #47 -- 23,751
10/2010: LoSH #6 -- 30,246
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10/2011: LoSH #2 -- 47,227 (- 6.3%)
11/2011: LoSH #3 -- 34,979 (- 25.9%)
12/2011: LoSH #4 -- 27,832 (- 20.4%)
01/2012: LoSH #5 -- 25,624 (- 7.9%)
02/2012: LoSH #6 -- 23,428 (- 8.6%)
03/2012: LoSH #7 -- 21,894 (- 6.6%)
04/2012: LoSH #8 -- 21,457 (- 2.0%)
05/2012: LoSH #9 -- 20,854 (- 2.8%)
06/2012: LoSH #10 -- 19,963 (- 4.3%)
07/2012: LoSH #11 -- 19,421 (- 2.7%)
08/2012: LoSH #12 -- 18,907 (- 2.7%)
09/2012: LoSH #0 -- 21,561 (+ 14.0%)
10/2012: LoSH #13 -- 18,487 (- 14.3%)
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6 months: - 13.8%
1 year : - 60.9%
2 years : - 38.9%
5 years : - 32.5%

A “New 52″ title that’s still ongoing, and still in decline.


The term "decline" is Mark-Oliver Frisch's, not mine.

http://comicsbeat.com/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-october-2012/
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:35 pm

The Nacireman wrote:And the news just isn't getting any better, sales wise. The #0 issue did squat for the book, in fact the sales now lower than the issue BEFORE the #0 issue.


The term "decline" is Mark-Oliver Frisch's, not mine.

http://comicsbeat.com/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-october-2012/


I think the term decline in this case is a fact.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:24 pm

Arion wrote:
I think the term decline in this case is a fact.


The Levitz nostalgia trip has been a total failure. Unless the rumors are true about writing Legion being part of his severance package for leaving the DC president's office (or whatever his official title was), then I can't DC keeping him on if doubling down with Giffen fails. I can't see DC trying to save the book, either.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby IvCNuB4 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:44 pm

Yeah, there is a distinct difference in Levitz's writing style between "LSH" and "Worlds' Finest". Kind of like the difference between Johns' "Justice League" and "Aquaman". WF has been a slow burn but then he'll do something fun like last issue's fight between Huntress and Damian.
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