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by **Kent Horton** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:04 pm

Punchy wrote:But it's been 50 issues, nearly 5 years!

These characters have been Avengers for a fairly long time now, your definition of who is an Avenger should have adjusted because you've seen them as Avengers, being an Avenger obviously fits into their characters, because they are Avengers!

Except that they weren't written like the Avengers. I don't see how to make this any clearer. Okay, how about this - Nextwave. What if Jeph Loeb took over Nextwave. We ALL know how he'd write it. Would you still be calling them the Nextwave team in one year.

Because 5 years of a non-Avengers team compared to 40+ years otherwise says they were not written like Avengers. They weren't even written like the West Coast Avengers.

by **Kent Horton** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:05 pm

Punchy wrote:But why can't the definition of an Avengers team change?

If Bendis' take stays around for 40 years too, will it still not be the Avengers?

That won't happen.

by **ThrillHouse** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:05 pm

Punchy wrote:But why can't the definition of an Avengers team change?

If Bendis' take stays around for 40 years too, will it still not be the Avengers?

See now, here is where I differ. I wholly believe that the Avengers rosters should change. Hell, Cap even mentions something like that in Avengers Forever. The tone of the book and the uber-street levelness is what kills it for me.

Not too mention Bendis putting his pet characters over EVERYONE else (luke, jessica) at the cost of the story.

by **Punchy** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:05 pm

Kent Horton wrote:That won't happen.

But if it did.

by **BubbaKanoosh** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:08 pm

ThrillHouse wrote:See now, here is where I differ. I wholly believe that the Avengers rosters should change. Hell, Cap even mentions something like that in Avengers Forever. The tone of the book and the uber-street levelness is what kills it for me.

Not too mention Bendis putting his pet characters over EVERYONE else (luke, jessica) at the cost of the story.

Exactly.

To me the Avengers should represent Earths Mightiest Heroes. Not Manhattens Mightiest Heroes.

by **Punchy** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:10 pm

BubbaKanoosh wrote:Exactly.

To me the Avengers should represent Earths Mightiest Heroes. Not Manhattens Mightiest Heroes.

But they have always represented New York over everywhere else, just like the entire MU.

Plus, Wolverine is from Canada :p

by **BubbaKanoosh** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:13 pm

Punchy wrote:But they have always represented New York over everywhere else, just like the entire MU.

Plus, Wolverine is from Canada :p

I know he is!!! I am waiting for that to retcon that.

But back to the team, the Avengers have always been all over the world AND space. I cannot see this team doing that. Mighty yes, but not the New Avengers.

by **ThrillHouse** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:13 pm

Punchy wrote:But they have always represented New York over everywhere else, just like the entire MU.

Plus, Wolverine is from Canada :p

They've been where? Japan? Savage Land? Sentry's house? Hell, Roger Stern could fit all that into 1 issue and it's taken Bendis 50! :-D

by **Punchy** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:15 pm

BubbaKanoosh wrote:I know he is!!! I am waiting for that to retcon that.

But back to the team, the Avengers have always been all over the world AND space. I cannot see this team doing that. Mighty yes, but not the New Avengers.

So they're not Avengers because they haven't been to space?

Uh huh.

by **Kent Horton** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:16 pm

Punchy wrote:But if it did.

It won't. It won't last past Bendis losing interest or moving on. Mighty is proof of that.

by **Punchy** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:18 pm

Kent Horton wrote:It won't. It won't last past Bendis losing interest or moving on. Mighty is proof of that.

I think New Avengers has been sufficiently popular for the writer after Bendis to not want to change the tone too much.

by **ThrillHouse** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:19 pm

Punchy wrote:I think New Avengers has been sufficiently popular for the writer after Bendis to not want to change the tone too much.

When Bendis leaves, I hope they just cancel NA and restart at issue 500.

by **Kent Horton** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:20 pm

ThrillHouse wrote:When Bendis leaves, I hope they just cancel NA and restart at issue 500.

I'd expect that to happen to Mighty instead.

Punchy wrote:I think New Avengers has been sufficiently popular for the writer after Bendis to not want to change the tone too much.

NA won't continue past Bendis.

by **Punchy** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:21 pm

ThrillHouse wrote:When Bendis leaves, I hope they just cancel NA and restart at issue 500.

It won't happen, Bendis turned the Avengers into what the X-Men was in the 80s and 90s, he got a lot more people reading the book, and that's why there are now 4 Avengers ongoings.

When he leaves, they'll either continue his tone, or get someone else to go in another new direction.

by **Kent Horton** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:24 pm

Punchy wrote:It won't happen, Bendis turned the Avengers into what the X-Men was in the 80s and 90s, he got a lot more people reading the book, and that's why there are now 4 Avengers ongoings.

When he leaves, they'll either continue his tone, or get someone else to go in another new direction.

No, it'll be canceled. See: The 90s.