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misac

Outhouse Editor

Postby misac » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:21 pm

Juan Cena wrote:

I don't call being the third match of the card "stealing the spotlight.


Trying! Trying to steal the spotlight.
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Punchy

Staff Writer

Postby Punchy » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:22 pm

misac wrote:
I don’t understand what they’re doing with him. He’s so unlikeable, that promo was all kinds of terrible!

And speaking of the Shield, I rewatched their match from last week and really made me like them more. I really like how they work together and have each other’s back. After the match Rollins helped the other two over the barricade, so sweet.


The Shield are hardcore amazing.

I think they should be the ones to get the Tag Titles once Hell No implodes, or even just beat Hell No for them.

And yeah, Sheamus is a dick, he's good in the ring, but these last two weeks have made me feel sorry for Barrett, rather than like Sheamus.

I also forgot to mention Swagger/Miz, which was, as Miz says, awesome. I'm digging the new uber-Swagger, and Miz is a good plucky underdog (they really should be playing up how he stood up to Lesnar last month).

Man, this was a good Raw.
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Punchy

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Postby Punchy » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:23 pm

misac wrote:
The problem being the little guy is the heel and the underdog.


Dolph will get the last laugh when he cashes in at Wrestlemania, just you see.

That match made me want to see Ryback Vs Big E Langston.
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:29 pm

Punchy wrote:
Then why do you expect him to win so much?


Because you expect the top guys to win more than they lose where it counts that's why. Otherwise, it damages their "brand."
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:31 pm

misac wrote:
Trying! Trying to steal the spotlight.


Seeing as he's going to lost, that probably isn't happening.
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Punchy

Staff Writer

Postby Punchy » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:33 pm

Juan Cena wrote:
Because you expect the top guys to win more than they lose where it counts that's why. Otherwise, it damages their "brand."


He held the WWE Championship for over a year, how is that not winning more than he lost? And every match he has lost in the last few months (except last night's) was the result of shenanigans.

You're overreacting, Punk is still a top guy.
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misac

Outhouse Editor

Postby misac » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:40 pm

Punchy wrote:
The Shield are hardcore amazing.

I think they should be the ones to get the Tag Titles once Hell No implodes, or even just beat Hell No for them.

And yeah, Sheamus is a dick, he's good in the ring, but these last two weeks have made me feel sorry for Barrett, rather than like Sheamus.

I also forgot to mention Swagger/Miz, which was, as Miz says, awesome. I'm digging the new uber-Swagger, and Miz is a good plucky underdog (they really should be playing up how he stood up to Lesnar last month).

Man, this was a good Raw.


I don't feel bad for Barrett, makes me want to see him smash Smeasus' jealous face.

Liked Raw too, and this was really the only bad part of the show.
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misac

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Postby misac » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:41 pm

Punchy wrote:
Dolph will get the last laugh when he cashes in at Wrestlemania, just you see.

That match made me want to see Ryback Vs Big E Langston.


I do too.
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misac

Outhouse Editor

Postby misac » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:43 pm

Juan Cena wrote:
Seeing as he's going to lost, that probably isn't happening.


And that's the point, his plans get foiled.
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:02 pm

misac wrote:
And that's the point, his plans get foiled.


Then he's not a credible heel.

kingbeavis

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Postby kingbeavis » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:03 pm

Juan Cena wrote:
Yes there is. Punk vs. Taker done cold does nothing to move any storylines any further.

Something like a Punk/Lesnar vs Undertaker/HHH might have, where you could set up a Punk/Lesnar feud by using it to show who's side Paul E and The Shield are really on.

On the other side. Having Vince have to call in Taker to deal with Leanar, and being forced to give Taker the right to name his opponent for WM XXX in exchange for his participation.


How did 6 weeks of a build to a match become not enough? How often are WM matches, outside of the main event, built with a months long feud? I think it is irrational to expect every match to have a similar build as Rock/Cena.

Is this just "CM Punk is my favorite so he should have the bestest spot on the card every time ever"?
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Lord Simian

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Postby Lord Simian » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:35 pm

Juan Cena wrote:
Then he's not a credible heel.


Then, by your logic, there has only ever been two credible heels in the history of wrestling: the McMahon/Helmsley era, when they ran the show and destroyed anyone in their path... And the NWO, who did the same.

For example, Ted Dibiase? Totally not a credible heel, as his plan to buy the championship was foiled. Roddy Piper? Failed to take Hogan's belt OR end Pauper's music career. Utter failure as a heel. The Undertaker? Planned to destroy Hulkamania once and for all, but lost at Tuesday In Texas. Utter waste. And on and on....
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Punchy

Staff Writer

Postby Punchy » Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:09 pm

Juan Cena wrote:
Then he's not a credible heel.


He seems to be getting plenty of boos.
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:12 pm

Lord Simian wrote:
Then, by your logic, there has only ever been two credible heels in the history of wrestling: the McMahon/Helmsley era, when they ran the show and destroyed anyone in their path... And the NWO, who did the same.

For example, Ted Dibiase? Totally not a credible heel, as his plan to buy the championship was foiled. Roddy Piper? Failed to take Hogan's belt OR end Pauper's music career. Utter failure as a heel. The Undertaker? Planned to destroy Hulkamania once and for all, but lost at Tuesday In Texas. Utter waste. And on and on....




DiBiase? He never really accomplished anything beyond winning the Tag Team belts with IRS. Piper? More comedian than credible threat. Undertaker? Became a face a few months after the incident you mentioned.

I'm talking Ric Flair level c. 1985-1988 level here. He dominated the NWA/WCW with the Four Horsemen with only a couple of brief periods where he didn't have the World Heavyweight Championship.
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Punchy

Staff Writer

Postby Punchy » Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:17 pm

Juan Cena wrote:


DiBiase? He never really accomplished anything beyond winning the Tag Team belts with IRS. Piper? More comedian than credible threat. Undertaker? Became a face a few months after the incident you mentioned.

I'm talking Ric Flair level c. 1985-1988 level here. He dominated the NWA/WCW with the Four Horsemen with only a couple of brief periods where he didn't have the World Heavyweight Championship.


But isn't that historically the difference between WWE and WCW? In WWE, the faces were dominant, whereas in WCW it was the heels.

Punk is probably the biggest heel in wrestling today, it's him or Brock Lesnar really.

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