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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:52 pm

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A great shame & just seems unbelievable. Haven't read The Boys but hoping to buy the hardcover collections if they stay in print long enough for me to be able to afford them.


DC and Marvel have 80% of the market. That means they are consistently in the top 100 even if they put out crappy products. I wish it wouldn't be like that, but that's the harsh reality.

Most of the titles I buy come from Image, IDW, Avatar, Dynamite, etc., and it's sad to see they sell so little in comparison to the big two.

You must read The Boys, I absolutely love it.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:46 pm

And the numbers are not getting better.
117 - THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES
12/2007: LoSH #37 -- 45,803
12/2008: LoSH #49 -- 22,180
12/2010: LoSH #8 -- 25,063
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12/2011: LoSH #4 -- 27,832 (- 20.4%)
01/2012: LoSH #5 -- 25,624 (- 7.9%)
02/2012: LoSH #6 -- 23,428 (- 8.6%)
03/2012: LoSH #7 -- 21,894 (- 6.6%)
04/2012: LoSH #8 -- 21,457 (- 2.0%)
05/2012: LoSH #9 -- 20,854 (- 2.8%)
06/2012: LoSH #10 -- 19,963 (- 4.3%)
07/2012: LoSH #11 -- 19,421 (- 2.7%)
08/2012: LoSH #12 -- 18,907 (- 2.7%)
09/2012: LoSH #0 -- 21,561 (+ 14.0%)
10/2012: LoSH #13 -- 18,487 (- 14.3%)
11/2012: LoSH #14 -- 17,767 (- 3.9%)
12/2012: LoSH #15 -- 16,912 (- 4.8%)


http://comiksdebris.blogspot.com/2013/02/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-december.html

Get ready for a cancellation, Legion fans. I hope you enjoyed seeing your dreams of the "classic" Legion's return as the answer to returning the book to the top of the sales charts crash and burn in a fiery death.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:36 pm

Juan Cena wrote:And the numbers are not getting better.


http://comiksdebris.blogspot.com/2013/02/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-december.html

Get ready for a cancellation, Legion fans. I hope you enjoyed seeing your dreams of the "classic" Legion's return as the answer to returning the book to the top of the sales charts crash and burn in a fiery death.


What if it estabilizes in 12,000 readers or so? Will DC still cancel it?

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby BBally » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:52 pm

I felt the Legion started to crash when they first rebooted the series after Crisis on Infinite Earths, I used to blame that all on editorial since they still could've connected Clark to the Legion without Superboy (TAS and Smallville for example) however the true culprit was Levitz who refused to change anything, which therefore led the Pocket Universe and it was downhill from there.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:07 pm

BBally wrote:I felt the Legion started to crash when they first rebooted the series after Crisis on Infinite Earths, I used to blame that all on editorial since they still could've connected Clark to the Legion without Superboy (TAS and Smallville for example) however the true culprit was Levitz who refused to change anything, which therefore led the Pocket Universe and it was downhill from there.


COIE sure brought a lot of problems into Legion continuity, I think Byrne tried to do the best he could with the pocket universe stuff...

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:31 pm

BBally wrote:I felt the Legion started to crash when they first rebooted the series after Crisis on Infinite Earths, I used to blame that all on editorial since they still could've connected Clark to the Legion without Superboy (TAS and Smallville for example) however the true culprit was Levitz who refused to change anything, which therefore led the Pocket Universe and it was downhill from there.


The easy thing would have been for Clark to have run-ins every so often with the Legion between the time he left Smallville and saved Lois & the Space-Plane.

Though I'd say that what really did the team in was the whole "Baxter Series" thing that derailed both NTT and Legion.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:32 pm

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What if it estabilizes in 12,000 readers or so? Will DC still cancel it?


Probably. Maybe even sooner.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:52 pm

Juan Cena wrote:
Probably. Maybe even sooner.


I guess in March we'll find out that the Legion has lost another 500 readers or so.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:56 pm

And the sales just keep on dropping.


122 - THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES
01/2008: LoSH #38 -- 33,045
01/2009: LoSH #50 -- 22,327
01/2011: LoSH #9 -- 24,230
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01/2012: LoSH #5 -- 25,624 (- 7.9%)
02/2012: LoSH #6 -- 23,428 (- 8.6%)
03/2012: LoSH #7 -- 21,894 (- 6.6%)
04/2012: LoSH #8 -- 21,457 (- 2.0%)
05/2012: LoSH #9 -- 20,854 (- 2.8%)
06/2012: LoSH #10 -- 19,963 (- 4.3%)
07/2012: LoSH #11 -- 19,421 (- 2.7%)
08/2012: LoSH #12 -- 18,907 (- 2.7%)
09/2012: LoSH #0 -- 21,561 (+ 14.0%)
10/2012: LoSH #13 -- 18,487 (- 14.3%)
11/2012: LoSH #14 -- 17,767 (- 3.9%)
12/2012: LoSH #15 -- 16,912 (- 4.8%)
01/2013: LoSH #16 -- 16,496 (- 2.5%)
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6 months: - 15.1%
1 year : - 35.6%
2 years : - 31.9%
5 years : - 50.1%

Marc-Oliver Frisch gives these sales 5 stars, writing, “Another ‘New 52′ book selling well below the 20,000-unit mark that hasn’t been cancelled.”


http://comicsbeat.com/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-january-2013/

I wonder if sales would be this low if Johns and Meltzer hadn't backstabbed Waid? I guess we'll never know.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:25 am

Juan Cena wrote:And the sales just keep on dropping.



http://comicsbeat.com/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-january-2013/

I wonder if sales would be this low if Johns and Meltzer hadn't backstabbed Waid? I guess we'll never know.


What did Meltzer do ?

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby IvCNuB4 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:34 am

You just had to ask, didn't you ? :lol:
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:59 am

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What did Meltzer do ?


Wanted to use the classic Legion in Lightning Saga while not giving a s**t that DC was already publishing another version of the team at the moment. And Johns gleefully joined in, since like Meltzer, he doesn't give a f**k about anybody but himself at DC.
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Strict31 wrote:I'm not sure that combining the nigh-uncontrollable power of LOLtron with the Nacireman is a good idea. Some years from now, when mankind is on the verge of extinction, we'll be able to look back and remember this moment, and say, "DANG."


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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby habitual » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:04 pm

IvCNuB4 wrote:You just had to ask, didn't you ? :lol:


Arion is Nacireman's co-active enabler.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:01 pm

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Arion is Nacireman's co-active enabler.

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Someone had to pick up Cat-Scratch's mantle, I guess.
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Strict31 wrote:I'm not sure that combining the nigh-uncontrollable power of LOLtron with the Nacireman is a good idea. Some years from now, when mankind is on the verge of extinction, we'll be able to look back and remember this moment, and say, "DANG."


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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:45 am

Juan Cena wrote:
Wanted to use the classic Legion in Lightning Saga while not giving a s**t that DC was already publishing another version of the team at the moment. And Johns gleefully joined in, since like Meltzer, he doesn't give a f**k about anybody but himself at DC.


Are you sure the whole thing wasn't Geoff Johns' idea ?

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