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Re: Fantastic Four #5AU out WTF's DC's WTF Month Before It B

Postby habitual » Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:03 pm

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I don't believe in Hawkeye. I am a Hawkeye atheist.


If you were militant enough you would at least do some research.

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Postby Punchy » Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:36 pm

Squiddles, you still haven't answered my question about why you didn't follow Hickman over to the Avengers titles.

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Postby Keb » Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:44 pm

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You don't suppose that this all started because Doom asked Ben to "wake me up before you go" and instead Ben let him sleep, do you?

Okay you win that one. I laughed out loud on the bus.

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Postby Grayson » Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:59 pm

Keb wrote:Okay you win that one. I laughed out loud on the bus.


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Postby Keb » Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:07 pm

Punchy wrote:It's Hawkguy, people come on!

Not Hawtguy? :groucho:

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Re: Fantastic Four #5AU out WTF's DC's WTF Month Before It B

Postby Jack Burton » Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:15 pm

Not a big fan of this myself.

If it's revealed Doom was smart enough to notice Ben's sabotaging the equipment that's fine but Doom never making the mistake at all?

I don't like that. Doom and Reed are the two smartest humans in Marvel. We all know that it's been canon since the 60's. There is one thing that seperate them and in the end makes Reed the "smarter person".

It's ego. Plain and simple.

Reed made a huge mistake and it warped three people he cared about forever. Unlike Doom Reed learned that even someone as brillant as him can't always be right. He can make mistakes. Reed also had the humilty to actually be somewhat likeable. He wasn't an egotistical ass nobody could stand.

Doom's ego prevented him from those kinds of connections. He never really connected with anyone. He's believed he's better than everyone and to him making friends would be like associating with chimps.

Doom can't fathom he made the mistake with his machine. He had to correct because he's Victor Von Doom. So it HAD to be Richards that sabotaged his experiment. It couldn't possibly be that he didn't double check his work.

Taking that away from his I think diminishes his character a bit.

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Re: Fantastic Four #5AU out WTF's DC's WTF Month Before It B

Postby Victorian Squid » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:33 pm

Punchy wrote:Squiddles, you still haven't answered my question about why you didn't follow Hickman over to the Avengers titles.


I think I read the first issue of one of them? But I don't remember. Lack of interest combined with cost--if they were cheap, maybe it'd be more tempting, but I'd have to follow at least 2 $4 books, maybe with double-shipping (maybe not, I can't remember which books get delayed). I'd rather not pour any more money into Marvel or DC these days, I despise the public image and corporate faces currently out there from both companies. Artists and writers like Hickman can get my money for books like Manhattan Projects and East Of West, I'll support those sort of books gladly and with loyalty. But I hate hate hate how much new talent is being ground beneath Marvel's or DC's wheels to churn out formulaic hackwork (not necessarily talking about Hickman here, he's hardly "new talent" anymore!) on superhero IPs.

Definitely superhero comics burnout contributed to it. Utter disinterest in the sounds of things like, "a new Smasher", "Captain Universe", or "Starbrand". Wishing never to see Captain America or Iron Man in an Avengers book ever again.

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Postby Victorian Squid » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:33 pm

Also, the Thing looks ridiculous in those pages, like he's made of coconuts or something.

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Postby Zechs » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:39 pm

The regret can't be the reason why Ben turned into the Thing. It's like the chicken and the egg. Doom didn't become a super-villain after the incident. It was an incident ontop of incident that lead Doom to become Doom.

If he hadn't toppled the monarchs who "killed" his father and in a way also were responsible for his mother's end then they be the chief cause. Reed is the last one on his list of "grievances" since Doom in a way is that petty.
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Postby Zero » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:41 pm

Punchy wrote:I like Reed Richards' and Tony Stark's staunch atheism in the face of actual Gods.


I was thinking about this, and with the massive contradictions in Greek and Norse myth (both of which have Avengers in them) I'd imagine it's pretty easy to dismiss the notion of a supreme being or creator when the term 'god' is being applied to people who are very clearly not all powerful. I could march around calling myself God all the time and if anything the fact that my bullshit claims were allowed to stand would be more evidence in the favour of a godless universe devoid of all meaning.

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Re: Fantastic Four #5AU out WTF's DC's WTF Month Before It B

Postby IvCNuB4 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:07 pm

Victorian Squid wrote:Also, the Thing looks ridiculous in those pages, like he's made of coconuts or something.


The next big FF "WTF" moment is that Ben's condition is the result of this Professor :shock:

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Postby Grayson » Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:18 pm

IvCNuB4 wrote:The next big FF "WTF" moment is that Ben's condition is the result of this Professor :shock:


Makes sense to me. In fact, it all makes sense now! :shock:

The Fantastic Four first went into space in November 1961. The Professor left for a "three hour tour" in September 1964. Sounds to me like the Professor not only caused Ben's condition but he also sabotaged the S.S. Minnow as a way to "disappear" in order to escape the possibility of Ben Grimm learning the truth and extracting revenge! He was never actually trying to leave the island. Diabolical!
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Postby Keb » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:10 pm

Victorian Squid wrote:Also, the Thing looks ridiculous in those pages, like he's made of coconuts or something.

I thought he was supposed to be. Fire, Water, Air, Coconut.

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:16 pm

Victorian Squid wrote:
I don't believe in Hawkeye. I am a Hawkeye atheist.


Are you a militant Hawkeye atheist, or a casual one?
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Re: Fantastic Four #5AU out WTF's DC's WTF Month Before It B

Postby Victorian Squid » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:19 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
Are you a militant Hawkeye atheist, or a casual one?


LOL at Grayson & Keb.

I have a faulty switch that wildly and unpredictably flashes back and forth between militant and casual.

I have one for good and evil as well.

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