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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:29 am

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Are you sure the whole thing wasn't Geoff Johns' idea ?


May have been. But they were both in on it one way or the other.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:24 am

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May have been. But they were both in on it one way or the other.


I put all the blame on Johns.

Meltzer is one of my favorite American comic book writers, so he's innoncent until proven guilty.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:36 pm

Arion wrote:
I put all the blame on Johns.

Meltzer is one of my favorite American comic book writers, so he's innoncent until proven guilty.


Meltzer's one of those guys who does what he wants regardless of what effect they'll have on the characters or other creators. Identity Crisis is the prime example of that.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:57 pm

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Meltzer's one of those guys who does what he wants regardless of what effect they'll have on the characters or other creators. Identity Crisis is the prime example of that.


Not really. If you read his interviews, he says that DC gave him permission to kill a lot of important characters. He says he didn't kill them because he knew that eventually they'd be retconned back to life and that would diminish the impact of Identity Crisis as a saga. I'm sure he does consider the effect his stories will have after him.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:12 am

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Not really. If you read his interviews, he says that DC gave him permission to kill a lot of important characters. He says he didn't kill them because he knew that eventually they'd be retconned back to life and that would diminish the impact of Identity Crisis as a saga. I'm sure he does consider the effect his stories will have after him.



What he did in Identity Crisis, though, was make the JLAers look like crap due to the mindwipes, and made Elongated Man and Ray Palmer nearly unusable for the following few years (outside of 52).
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:56 pm

Juan Cena wrote:

What he did in Identity Crisis, though, was make the JLAers look like crap due to the mindwipes, and made Elongated Man and Ray Palmer nearly unusable for the following few years (outside of 52).


And the result was the greatest JLA story in over two decades, wasn't it?

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:41 pm

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And the result was the greatest JLA story in over two decades, wasn't it?


No. Indentity Crisis sucked.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby syxxpakk » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:52 pm

Identity Crisis is one of the best comic stories of all time.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Herald » Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:52 pm

Juan Cena wrote:

What he did in Identity Crisis, though, was make the JLAers look like crap due to the mindwipes, and made Elongated Man and Ray Palmer nearly unusable for the following few years (outside of 52).


And he ESPECIALLY destroyed the possibility of any good use of the villain Dr. Light who will NEVER Live It Down.

If Meltzer had TRULY considered the effect he would have on the characters, he might have also had just enough sense to never have written that story.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:55 pm

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And he ESPECIALLY destroyed the possibility of any good use of the villain Dr. Light who will NEVER Live It Down.

If Meltzer had TRULY considered the effect he would have on the characters, he might have also had just enough sense to never have written that story.



The sad fact is that he never gave a s**t about the consequences of his actions. Same with JLofA. He flung stuff around with no plans whatsoever of resolving anything he came up with.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby MoneyMelon » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:20 am

syxxpakk wrote:Identity Crisis is one of the best comic stories of all time.


I liked it better when it was called "Watchmen"

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:36 pm

syxxpakk wrote:Identity Crisis is one of the best comic stories of all time.


Definitely the best I've seen from DC in years.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:53 pm

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Definitely the best I've seen from DC in years.



I had more enjoyment reading Final Crisis than I did Infinite Crisis. At least Morrison earned the right to mess with the DCU, A part-timer like Meltzer hasn't.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Lord Simian » Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:47 pm

Juan Cena wrote:At least Morrison earned the right to mess with the DCU, A part-timer like Meltzer hasn't.


It seems to me, that if DC comics gave him the keys to their car, they obviously feel he earned the right to drive it.

And, despite what many fanboys on the internet think, they are the ones who get to make that decision, not you. ;)

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:19 pm

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It seems to me, that if DC comics gave him the keys to their car, they obviously feel he earned the right to drive it.

And, despite what many fanboys on the internet think, they are the ones who get to make that decision, not you. ;)


It means DC makes poor decisions with its "vehicles."

Identity Crisis may have gotten the sales, but look at how many properties he damaged doing it. Justice League, notably.
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