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TheSecondLex wrote:IMHO, Ari, the shortcomings everyone's talking about, pace etc, are Hitchy's doing. And probably Bendis', insofar as he seems to be writing or padding it to Hitch's talents--think Hush, as Loeb was writing that mostly around Jim Lee's sensibilities.
Yes, it's been four issues of padding and plodding along through Ultron World--but I rather think this is a conscious effort to show just how wrecked this society really is. How different this crossover is. In ways that Civil War, Wanda's period (yes, that's Team Lex's super-adult term for House of M), Hulk's rampage, the Skrulls and oh by the way Norman Osborn...just couldn't do. Here comes the worst enemy the Avengers have ever faced or ever will (because Ultron is eternal), and he destroys their buildings, their institutions and their souls. Overnight.
It completely blows 'Ultron Unlimited' out of the water, it almost eclipses 'Annihilation Conquest' (almost), and it's even getting into what could be a really top-flight examination of Henry Pym and Ultron--a hero/villain dynamic/opposition/hatred that itself can stand (in the hands of the right writer) up with Reed and Doom, and Xavier and Magneto, and Squirrel Girl and Doom, and Billy Kaplan vs the Westboro Baptist Church (now wouldn't that be a story?)
Not just some Frankenstein metaphor, their relationship; not even some father-son/Cats in the Cradle dynamic--because those stories that have touched on Ultron-as-Boris Karloff have always I think missed some point of both Ultron and Pym. Bendis tells you straight out: Ultron hates humanity. And it has returned. He doesn't want a bride, he doesn't want to take over Iron Man's armor, he doesn't even want to be Pym. Maybe he did once but I think those days are gone now. I think fo him like Dean Stockwell in Battlestar Galactica: he was created by humans and with human emotions and instincts; except for the adamanitum shell he is human. And he doesn't want that. He'll never be fully machine, bound as he is by programme and Pym and that most human emotion of all, vengeance. And still, he hates mankind. Pym included.
It's such a simple premise that its easy to overlook it or pay it lip service. Nowadays Ultron just wants to kill. Everything.
That's amazing to read about, and so un-comic booky; there's always a plan, always some scheme, always an endgame in mind.
Frankly, I'd be happy if they got to the future, faced Ultron and he told them right out: I'm going to kill you and wipe out this universe and that'll be that. No grand fight to the finish, no speeches, no words with thee. Just a whooooole buncha killin!
So yes, there are pacing problems. Yes Wolverine is a pharisaical asshat (b/c when even Bendis acknowledges this, something must be very right with the universe). But there's also an amazing sense of finality going here--that I'd bet my ridiculous salary is going to be resolved via time-travel. In other words, its an unusual story and for all the sense that it comes of nowhere, or a vacuum, it seems to be making repercussions for itself. Killing Cage and Shulkie for two, and telling us that big names like Thor, Ben Grimm and Banner are out of the game too.
It's just very interesting to read. Knowing as I do that I'm in the minority of AU-enjoying fans, it's even more interesting bc of that. I shall be very curious to see where it all ends up.
And to see if my theory is right about where he's keeping Pymmie.
Wanda's period... sounds like a very sticky saga.
And speaking about Ultron, what did you think of the Busiek / Pérez Ultron arc from some years ago?
Wait a minute... are the Young Avengers there?
Now I don't think you're in the minority. AoU has good sales so lots of people are reading it.
You sure make it sound like a great read, mayhap I should fetch a compiled edition after all is said and done.
So you stayed away from Millar's FF but at least tell me you read Ultimates.