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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:28 pm

Arion wrote:
What Gaimen explained is that he gets certain percentage when he sells his novels, and in DC that percentage is a whole lot less. I don't see that as asking more money, only what is fair.

I'd love to have him writing more comics, but we can always read his novels and enjoy them just as much, eh?


I had read that at one point he had asked DC for an amount of money equivalent to what he'd get for an advance for one of his novels, saying that writing a Sandman story took as much research as one of his novels does (which I can believe, especially if dealing with he's using some obscure piece of folklore or mythology).

And I have no problem for Gaiman asking for more money, either.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:48 am

Juan Cena wrote:
I had read that at one point he had asked DC for an amount of money equivalent to what he'd get for an advance for one of his novels, saying that writing a Sandman story took as much research as one of his novels does (which I can believe, especially if dealing with he's using some obscure piece of folklore or mythology).

And I have no problem for Gaiman asking for more money, either.


If someone deserves money it's him.

And I totally understand the research part.

DC should have accepted his terms without complaining.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:01 pm

It looks like the whole Giffen mess did squat for Legion


132 - THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES
03/2003: Legion #18 -- 23,180
03/2008: LoSH #40 -- 30,377
03/2011: LoSH #11 -- 23,667
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03/2012: LoSH #7 -- 21,894 (- 6.6%)
04/2012: LoSH #8 -- 21,457 (- 2.0%)
05/2012: LoSH #9 -- 20,854 (- 2.8%)
06/2012: LoSH #10 -- 19,963 (- 4.3%)
07/2012: LoSH #11 -- 19,421 (- 2.7%)
08/2012: LoSH #12 -- 18,907 (- 2.7%)
09/2012: LoSH #0 -- 21,561 (+ 14.0%)
10/2012: LoSH #13 -- 18,487 (- 14.3%)
11/2012: LoSH #14 -- 17,767 (- 3.9%)
12/2012: LoSH #15 -- 16,912 (- 4.8%)
01/2013: LoSH #16 -- 16,496 (- 2.5%)
02/2013: LoSH #17 -- 16,242 (- 1.5%)
03/2013: LoSH #18 -- 16,148 (- 0.6%)
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6 months: - 25.1%
1 year : - 26.3%
2 years : - 31.8%
5 years : - 46.8%
10 years: - 30.3%

Sales are clearly levelling out, possibly thanks to artist Keith Giffen’s involvement since issue #17. Unfortunately, it was reported that, contrary to initial plans, Giffen “walked off” the book with issue #18.

So whatever his contribution was to the sudden stabilization of the numbers, it would seem to be a moot point by now. For Legion, at any rate, these are the lowest sales of the last 10 years, and then some.


http://comicsbeat.com/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-march-2013-now-with-10-year-comparisons/

So (seemingly) killing off at least four characters and (seemingly) maiming Mon-El for shock value has been for naught.

I wonder where all those geniuses who said bringing the classic team back would save the book are now?
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby misac » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:14 pm

Juan Cena wrote:I wonder where all those geniuses who said bringing the classic team back would save the book are now?


You should know, they're all in your head. :smt102
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:21 pm

misac wrote:
You should know, they're all in your head. :smt102


You obviously weren't around the Legion threads at OldRama then.

Too bad the archived OldRama pages aren't around anymore.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby The Old Doctor » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:18 pm

I find that re-reading the old LoSH comics far more healthy than reading the crap of today.
"Why are you pointing your screwdrivers like that? They're scientific instruments, not water pistols."
"Oh, the pointing again! They're screwdrivers! What are you going to do? Assemble a cabinet at them?"
"Are you capable of speaking without flapping your hands about?"
""Timey" what? "Timey wimey"?"

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:42 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:I find that re-reading the old LoSH comics far more healthy than reading the crap of today.


That's all we'll have pretty soon. DC seriously can't justify publishing it with these figures.
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Strict31 wrote:I'm not sure that combining the nigh-uncontrollable power of LOLtron with the Nacireman is a good idea. Some years from now, when mankind is on the verge of extinction, we'll be able to look back and remember this moment, and say, "DANG."


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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:27 pm

Juan Cena wrote:
You obviously weren't around the Legion threads at OldRama then.

Too bad the archived OldRama pages aren't around anymore.


I know the old Rama pages aren't available anymore. I hate that. I remember they were up for a while and then they disappeared. There were so many cool conversations archived and now it's all gone.

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