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by **The Old Doctor** » Thu May 02, 2013 10:31 am

nietoperz wrote:The thing is (and as others have pointed out) the true triumphs of the New 52 would have worked just as well in the old DCU - think of Batman, Swamp Thing and Animal Man: they just built upon previous continuity. The real fuck-ups have been the books where DC has elected just to start again. Superman is unrecognisable, as are his peripheral characters. Ditto the Titans. It's just not a good idea.

One other thing: John Constantine can work perfectly well in the DCU. After all, he started out there, and it was really only in recent years that his book started to exist in its own reality, as it were. What does not work for the character is running around battling super-villains and being part of Justice League events.

Boo-Yah! Well said!

Some restarts work, but only some. Wonder Woman seems to have worked and did with Perez in the 80s, though all he did was take Mars, make him badass and call him Ares.

I always like the original concept of Vertigo and the characters belonging to it. They are in the shadows of the DCU and can come and go as they pleased.

by **holtom2000** » Thu May 02, 2013 10:33 am

Pretty clear most of what dc did didn't need a reboot.
Why they didn't create an ultimate universe is beyond me

by **Chesscub** » Thu May 02, 2013 10:39 am

What they did right:

Animal Man
Swamp Thing
Wonder Woman
Batman
Batman and Robin
Earth 2
Dial H
JL Dark
OMAC
Grant Morrison's Action
Sword of Sorcery (love the Amethyst story)

What I've liked beyond that in spite of some flaws

Hawk and Dove
DC Universe Presents
Superman after Lobdell took over (apart from the ending of H'el)
Superboy
Supergirl
Green Lantern books
Attempts at doing other things (war books, sci fi)

What they need to stop for a while

GL and Batman crossovers

by **The Old Doctor** » Thu May 02, 2013 10:40 am

holtom2000 wrote:Pretty clear most of what dc did didn't need a reboot.
Why they didn't create an ultimate universe is beyond me

Yet they did. Sort of.

by **Chesscub** » Thu May 02, 2013 10:44 am

The biggest issue is that they didn't really push other fronts. They could've gone into the supermarkets/bookstores harder if they wanted to pull in new readers.

by **holtom2000** » Thu May 02, 2013 12:39 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:
Yet they did. Sort of.

yah I should have said create an ultimate universe and keep the old one as well.
This thing has New Coke written all over it.

by **The Old Doctor** » Thu May 02, 2013 3:25 pm

holtom2000 wrote:yah I should have said create an ultimate universe and keep the old one as well.
This thing has New Coke written all over it.

And here's hoping that they use the escape hatch, reboot and keep what worked from 52 while bringing back the rest.

Or hiring me (cheap) to over see a reboot.

by **Draco x** » Fri May 03, 2013 12:47 am

holtom2000 wrote:Pretty clear most of what dc did didn't need a reboot.
Why they didn't create an ultimate universe is beyond me

They did with the All-Star imprint which went as quickly as it came.

by **Chesscub** » Fri May 03, 2013 8:44 am

draco x wrote:
They did with the All-Star imprint which went as quickly as it came.

Well when they spend 8 issues getting to the Batcave....

by **achilles** » Fri May 03, 2013 9:20 am

Herald wrote:Hmmm...

They managed to spell the characters' names right! That's an accomplishment!

Did they?!? Then why is Power Girl's name given as Kara Zor-El-----AND Kara Zor-L?!? :smt102

I'm thinking this is some complicated evil plot by Didio and Harras to drive fans insane wondering... :smt013

Also that there must be a trope for that.

by **Herald** » Fri May 03, 2013 9:35 am

achilles wrote:
Did they?!? Then why is Power Girl's name given as Kara Zor-El-----AND Kara Zor-L?!?

I'm thinking this is some complicated evil plot by Didio and Harras to drive fans insane wondering...

Also that there must be a trope for that.

*Balki from Perfect Strangers voice*

"Of COURSE there is! Don't be ridiculous!"

by **Draco x** » Tue May 07, 2013 6:35 pm

Chesscub wrote:
Well when they spend 8 issues getting to the Batcave....

Jim Lee so fucked up on this that it's not even funny.

by **The Old Doctor** » Tue May 07, 2013 9:39 pm

Will the 52 be like All-Star Batman... never completed. :smt102

by **syxxpakk** » Wed May 08, 2013 5:19 am

Justice League
Aquaman
The Flash
Wonder Woman
Earth 2
World's Finest
Captain Atom
DC Universe Presents
Batman
Batman and Robin
Batman: The Dark Knight
Batwoman
Detective Comics
Nightwing
Batman Incorporated
Action Comics
Supergirl
Superman
Green Lantern
Green Lantern Corps
Green Lantern: New Guardians
Red Lanterns
All-star Western
Stormwatch
Suicide Squad
Threshold
Animal Man
Demon Knights
Justice League Dark
Swamp Thing
Frankenstein, Agent of SHADE
Resurrection Man
I, Vampire

I'm still on the fence about Katana, Vibe, Phantom Stranger, Constantine, Dial H (this one will probably be cut soon) and Sword and Sorcery.

by **The Old Doctor** » Wed May 08, 2013 11:26 am

syxxpakk wrote:Justice League
Aquaman
The Flash
Wonder Woman
Earth 2
World's Finest
Captain Atom
DC Universe Presents
Batman
Batman and Robin
Batman: The Dark Knight
Batwoman
Detective Comics
Nightwing
Batman Incorporated
Action Comics
Supergirl
Superman
Green Lantern
Green Lantern Corps
Green Lantern: New Guardians
Red Lanterns
All-star Western
Stormwatch
Suicide Squad
Threshold
Animal Man
Demon Knights
Justice League Dark
Swamp Thing
Frankenstein, Agent of SHADE
Resurrection Man
I, Vampire

I'm still on the fence about Katana, Vibe, Phantom Stranger, Constantine, Dial H (this one will probably be cut soon) and Sword and Sorcery.