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Postby 3MJ » Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:24 am

Two fifth-grade boys armed with a stolen semi-automatic gun, ammunition clip and knife plotted to kill a classmate in Washington state but were thwarted when another student informed a school employee, authorities said Thursday.

The two boys, who told police they considered the girl rude and annoying, won't be tried as adults and will be in court next Wednesday for a capacity hearing, said Tim Rasmussen, the Stevens County prosecuting attorney.

The two boys, ages 10 and 11, told authorities that they were also going to kill, or "get," six more students at Fort Colville Elementary School in Colville, Washington, and even identified them from a class list provided by school employees, according to court documents.

The boys' plan called for the older to stab the girl off-campus with a 3.25-inch knife last week, and the younger boy would scare off any responders with a .45-caliber Remington 1911 semi-automatic handgun, court documents said....

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The younger boy took the gun from his older brother by finding a hidden key to the gun case kept in the brother's bedroom, and the older brother told authorities that he stole the firearm from their dead grandfather's home, court papers said. The older brother is also a juvenile, Rasmussen said.

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:25 pm

muddyglass wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/04/us/chris-kyle-american-sniper-author-reported-killed.html

here is a snippet of the article, but the whole article contains nice details of kyle's life:



this is sad. chris kyle sounds like a great guy who was giving back to vets when he died. kyle takes groups of vets out to shooting ranges as a way of helping them feel more comfortable rotating back into civilian life, creating some of the camaraderie they miss from military life. one of these vets, eddie ray routh, shot kyle and a second victim on one of these trips. routh served in iraq and afghanistan and the times mentions he suffered from mental illness. i'm guessing routh has ptsd.


But at the same time, he was a gun owner. What a paradox.
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Postby 3MJ » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:44 am

jaxstraww wrote:Gun owner here.......is this the first war we had? This deal about vets needing a ton of help. What about those guys in ww1, ww2, vietnam aned korea. Sure fighting now in the middle east sucks but they see nowhere near the upfront shit our old heads seen. Medicine and mental help is much more refined than it ever was. First page of this threaed hit it on the head. Mental health.....we are so pc anymore you can't discuss mental health issues or u are shamed into not admitting it. We are a society of pussies anymore. Few hurricanes and we fall apart. Cops abandon their duties and regular people resort to killing and theft....pussies.......

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Postby LobsterJ » Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:47 am

jaxstraww wrote:Gun owner here.......is this the first war we had? This deal about vets needing a ton of help. What about those guys in ww1, ww2, vietnam aned korea. Sure fighting now in the middle east sucks but they see nowhere near the upfront shit our old heads seen. Medicine and mental help is much more refined than it ever was. First page of this threaed hit it on the head. Mental health.....we are so pc anymore you can't discuss mental health issues or u are shamed into not admitting it. We are a society of pussies anymore. Few hurricanes and we fall apart. Cops abandon their duties and regular people resort to killing and theft....pussies.......

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This country has never been more open about talking about mental health issues, what are you talking about?

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Postby 3MJ » Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:44 am

2,200 deaths since Sandy Hook.

Also the Achilles post saying how a crazed gun man wouldn't last in America seems ridiculous with the Christopher Dorner story.

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Postby achilles » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:22 am

Jubilee wrote:2,200 deaths since Sandy Hook.

Also the Achilles post saying how a crazed gun man wouldn't last in America seems ridiculous with the Christopher Dorner story.


The exception that proves the rule---by a guy who was trained in exactly how the LAPD, certain counter-terrorism outfits, and other cop shops operate.

In his manifesto, yet with strangely little attention drawn to it were rants praising gun control, (presumably he felt it made his job of killing anyone he didn't like easier), praising Obama, Hillary, Reid, and the Wicked Witch of the West.

I can point out that California is not a "Shall issue" state, which means that if you meet state requirements for concealed carry, they must issue you a permit. Such requirements typically include a clean criminal record, mental health record, gun safety and markmanship classes, and courses geared specifically to carrying firearms, including the moral and legal aspects.

California instead has a system where only the rich are allowed to carry a concealed weapon by bribing their local sheriff. The previous Orange County Sheriff, where much of this took place, got a little too blatant with this and is spending time as a guest of the Feds, but the current Sheriff has got it under control, with the result that monsters like Dorner can't exist since they would be caught by the rigorous screening for a CCW AFTER the rigorous screening just to buy a gun here in the first place. And even if he somehow gamed the system---I don't know how, by illegally buying a gun or something??----he'd live in fear of those thousands of legal CCW holders who would be ready to stop him if he tried something...oh, wait.
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Postby Victorian Squid » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:31 pm

Lionel Luthor, I have the book you ordered!

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Victorian Squid wrote:Lionel Luthor, I have the book you ordered!

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http://rt.com/usa/boy-fatally-shoots-sister-686/

A 5-year old boy accidentally shot and killed his 2-year-old sister in rural southern Kentucky with a rifle he had received a present last year, the local coroner said.

Police said the boy shot his sister with a .22-caliber rifle on Tuesday afternoon just moments after his mother stepped out onto the porch.

Their mother claims she had been gone for “no more than three minutes” when the incident transpired, Cumberland County Coroner Gary White told WKYT-TV.

The girl was taken to a nearby hospital, where she was pronounced dead. An autopsy is scheduled for Wednesday.

White told local newspaper the Lexington Herald-Leader, that the boy had received the rifle as a gift. It was usually kept in a corner of the house, and no one realized a shell had been left inside.

"It's a Crickett," White said in reference to the rifle. "It's a little rifle for a kid….The little boy's used to shooting the little gun."

"Just one of those crazy accidents," he continued.

State police said the shooting occurred when the boy was “playing” with the rifle, but provided no further information.

It remains unclear if any charges will be filed, Kentucky State Police spokesman Trooper Billy Gregory said.

Keystone Sporting Arms, manufacturers the Crickett and an assortment of other products geared towards children.

The company’s slogan is “my first rifle” and its website boasts a “Kids Corner” section, which depicts young boys and girls at shooting ranges and on bird and deer hunts.

The rifle is marketed by the company as a tool “to instill gun safety in the minds of youth shooters.”

Last month, 6-year-old Brandon Holt was shot in the head and killed by his four-year-old neighbor, who was playing with a .22 in the streets outside their homes in Toms River, New Jersey.

Meanwhile, Alaska State Troopers say an 8-year-old boy shot and killed his 5-year-old sister in the western town of Mountain View on Monday. A police spokeswoman said the boy was home alone when his sister arrived.

She declined to comment on whether the shooting was intentional or accidental, only saying the child was playing with a rifle he had previously used to go hunting.

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A six-year-old boy was pronounced dead after being shot in the head by a four-year-old friend as the pair’s parents stood in another yard not far away, law enforcement sources said Tuesday.

Brandon Holt of Toms River, New Jersey was standing about 15 yards away from his friend when the four-year-old accidentally shot the .22 rifle on Monday night. The younger boy’s mother called 911 to report the shooting and Brandon was rushed to the hospital. He was initially listed in serious but stable condition.

“Right now, we’re keeping this child in our prayers, and I ask everyone to do the same,” said Police Chief Michael Mastronardy. “Unfortunately, it’s a tragic accident. Right now, what we want to concentrate on is working with the family and helping them through this difficult time.”

Law enforcement officials have not revealed who owned the gun but neighbor Debi Coto said her sister watched as police removed “at least 10 guns” from the younger boy’s home.

“I’m sad for the children involved and their families, but I’m angry with whoever owns that gun and allowed a little child to get hold of it. A four-year-old can’t load a gun,” she said. “I had just been telling my sister how nice it is to see kids playing together and enjoying themselves, and then this happens.”

Coto added that the mother of the four-year-old was visibly upset and appeared to be struggling to understand what happened. She said both families were relatively new to the neighborhood.

The tragedy comes only four days after a four-year-old in Nashville, Tennessee accidentally shot and killed the wife of a sheriff’s deputy. Authorities said Wilson County Deputy Daniel Fanning was showing his collection of firearms to a relative when the boy came in, picked one up off the bed, and shot 48-year-old Josephine Fanning. She was pronounced dead at the scene.


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The shooting in southern Kentucky has been ruled an accident, Kentucky State Police Trooper Billy Gregory said.

"It's just one of those nightmares," he said, "a quick thing that happens when you turn your back."

Young children in the area are often introduced to guns at an early age, Gregory said.

"In this part of the country, it's not uncommon for a 5-year-old to have a gun or for a parent to pass one down to their kid," he said.

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Kristian's rifle was kept in a corner of the mobile home, and the family didn't realize a bullet had been left in it, Cumberland County Coroner Gary White said.

"Down in Kentucky where we're from, you know, guns are passed down from generation to generation," White said. "You start at a young age with guns for hunting and everything."

What is more unusual than a child having a gun, he said, is "that a kid would get shot with it."

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Postby 3MJ » Fri May 03, 2013 4:45 am

Riddle said she is devastated, but comforted knowing that her granddaughter is in a better place.

"It was God's will. It was her time to go, I guess," she told WLEX. "I just know she's in heaven right now and I know she's in good hands with the Lord."

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Postby 3MJ » Fri May 03, 2013 4:48 am

f the Tsarnaev brothers—the duo behind the Boston Marathon bombing—set off two of their pressure cooker bombs every day, in a year's time they'd amass 1,095 victims (providing they killed the same number of people each day). The total would jump to 1,098 if it happened to be a leap year.

There are an average of 10,000 gun homicides every year in the U.S. If you add gun accidents and suicides it's over 30,000 deaths each year according to the World Health Organization.

We lose the equivalent of a small city of Americans every year to gun violence. Each year an entire Bangor, Maine is gone. Virginia Tech has 30,000 students in total. Every year the equivalent of a Virginia Tech loses their lives.

The Iraq War took 4,488 American soldiers' over 10 years.

Nearly 10 times that die from civilian firearms. Every year. No war declared. No goal. No land to win. No regime change. No liberation. No spoils to be had. No armistice. No end game. No plan. No strategy.

The only upside is if you're a weapons profiteer. Then the body count means wealth. Their future, at lease, is secure.

The weapons industry costs taxpayers untold billions in the form of lost wages, court costs, Medicare and Medicaid costs, insurance claims processing costs, emergency responder budgets and increased policing. All due to our cities being awash in their ubiquitous and unregulated product.

Otherwise it's a pointless public health crisis that Congress seems pretty OK with. They tell us they don't want to upset hobbyists by entertaining policy that effects personal arsenals. In the U.S. that's actually a sufficient answer warranting no follow up. Try explaining that to someone in Japan where they have fewer than two gun-related homicides a year.

Thirty thousand Americans were shot and killed last year and roughly 30,000 will be shot and killed this year.

We accept this as a byproduct of freedom. There's a legally immune, enormously profitable industry that's spun a jingoistic fairy tale about how buying more of their product will make us safer.

America has the highest civilian gun ownership in the world. We should therefore be the safest country on the planet. We are not. We have the highest rate of firearm deaths in the top 50 industrialized nations. Of those 50 nations there are around 100,000 gun deaths a year. We contribute a third of them.

(John Lott's "study" claiming higher gun ownership means lower crime has never been replicated. Save your letters, it's bunk.)

The September 11th attacks killed 2,996 Americans. We have the equivalent of 10 9/11s every year in gun deaths. They hate us for our freedom.

In Plato's The Republic, he relays the Allegory of the Cave. There are prisoners who were born and raised in a cave and the shadows of a fire off the cave walls are the only thing they've ever seen. It's their reality. To them it's normal. Then one prisoner is released. He sees the sun for the first time. He realizes everything he's ever known was wrong. When he returns to the cave he tries to tell to the rest of the prisoners about the rest of the world. This upsets the prisoners so much, it's said they'd kill him if given the chance.

This is what it's like in the gun debate. We've accepted our fate—children are occasionally just going to be mowed down by gunfire in school. Or going to a suburban movie theater has certain risks. Or inner cities are just supposed to sound like Fallujah circa 2005. When you bring up other parts of the world that don't have this issue, you're treated as a heretic, tyrant and inevitably a Nazi sympathizer/Hitler fanboy.

Yes, the prisoners in the cave suddenly want to kill you. And in this case, they're armed.

The point remains: We don't have to have a country like this. We don't have to live in a country where a 5-year-old kills his 2-year-old sister with a Crickett rifle made for kids. We can pass sound policies which reduce lethal weapons and their capacity. It is possible.

Freedom, after all, is being able to leave the cave, walk down the street and not get sho

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Why does America lose its head over 'terror' but ignore its daily gun deaths?
The marathon bombs triggered a reaction that is at odds with last week's inertia over arms control

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... us-gun-law

The thriving metropolis of Boston was turned into a ghost town on Friday. Nearly a million Bostonians were asked to stay in their homes – and willingly complied. Schools were closed; business shuttered; trains, subways and roads were empty; usually busy streets eerily resembled a post-apocalyptic movie set; even baseball games and cultural events were cancelled – all in response to a 19-year-old fugitive, who was on foot and clearly identified by the news media.

The actions allegedly committed by the Boston marathon bomber, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and his brother, Tamerlan, were heinous. Four people dead and more than 100 wounded, some with shredded and amputated limbs.

But Londoners, who endured IRA terror for years, might be forgiven for thinking that America over-reacted just a tad to the goings-on in Boston. They're right – and then some. What we saw was a collective freak-out like few that we've seen previously in the United States. It was yet another depressing reminder that more than 11 years after 9/11 Americans still allow themselves to be easily and willingly cowed by the "threat" of terrorism.

After all, it's not as if this is the first time that homicidal killers have been on the loose in a major American city. In 2002, Washington DC was terrorised by two roving snipers, who randomly shot and killed 10 people. In February, a disgruntled police officer, Christopher Dorner, murdered four people over several days in Los Angeles. In neither case was LA or DC put on lockdown mode, perhaps because neither of these sprees was branded with that magically evocative and seemingly terrifying word for Americans, terrorism.

To be sure, public officials in Boston appeared to be acting out of an abundance of caution. And it's appropriate for Boston residents to be asked to take precautions or keep their eyes open. But by letting one fugitive terrorist shut down a major American city, Boston not only bowed to outsize and irrational fears, but sent a dangerous message to every would-be terrorist – if you want to wreak havoc in the United States, intimidate its population and disrupt public order, here's your instruction booklet.

Putting aside the economic and psychological cost, the lockdown also prevented an early capture of the alleged bomber, who was discovered after Bostonians were given the all clear and a Watertown man wandered into his backyard for a cigarette and found a bleeding terrorist on his boat.

In some regards, there is a positive spin on this – it's a reflection of how little Americans have to worry about terrorism. A population such as London during the IRA bombings or Israel during the second intifada or Baghdad, pretty much every day, becomes inured to random political violence. Americans who have such little experience of terrorism, relatively speaking, are more primed to overreact – and assume the absolute worst when it comes to the threat of a terror attack. It is as if somehow in the American imagination, every terrorist is a not just a mortal threat, but is a deadly combination of Jason Bourne and James Bond.

If only Americans reacted the same way to the actual threats that exist in their country. There's something quite fitting and ironic about the fact that the Boston freak-out happened in the same week the Senate blocked consideration of a gun control bill that would have strengthened background checks for potential buyers. Even though this reform is supported by more than 90% of Americans, and even though 56 out of 100 senators voted in favour of it, the Republican minority prevented even a vote from being held on the bill because it would have allegedly violated the second amendment rights of "law-abiding Americans".

So for those of you keeping score at home – locking down an American city: a proper reaction to the threat from one terrorist. A background check to prevent criminals or those with mental illness from purchasing guns: a dastardly attack on civil liberties. All of this would be almost darkly comic if not for the fact that more Americans will die needlessly as a result. Already, more than 30,000 Americans die in gun violence every year (compared to the 17 who died last year in terrorist attacks).

What makes US gun violence so particularly horrifying is how routine and mundane it has become. After the massacre of 20 kindergartners in an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, millions of Americans began to take greater notice of the threat from gun violence. Yet since then, the daily carnage that guns produce has continued unabated and often unnoticed.

The same day of the marathon bombing in Boston, 11 Americans were murdered by guns. The pregnant Breshauna Jackson was killed in Dallas, allegedly by her boyfriend. In Richmond, California, James Tucker III was shot and killed while riding his bicycle – assailants unknown. Nigel Hardy, a 13-year-old boy in Palmdale, California, who was being bullied in school, took his own life. He used the gun that his father kept at home. And in Brooklyn, New York, an off-duty police officer used her department-issued Glock 9mm handgun to kill herself, her boyfriend and her one-year old child.

At the same time that investigators were in the midst of a high-profile manhunt for the marathon bombers that ended on Friday evening, 38 more Americans – with little fanfare – died from gun violence. One was a 22-year old resident of Boston. They are a tiny percentage of the 3,531 Americans killed by guns in the past four months – a total that surpasses the number of Americans who died on 9/11 and is one fewer than the number of US soldiers who lost their lives in combat operations in Iraq. Yet, none of this daily violence was considered urgent enough to motivate Congress to impose a mild, commonsense restriction on gun purchasers.

It's not just firearms that produce such legislative inaction. Last week, a fertiliser plant in West, Texas, which hasn't been inspected by federal regulators since 1985, exploded, killing 14 people and injuring countless others. Yet many Republicans want to cut further the funding for the agency (OSHA) that is responsible for such reviews. The vast majority of Americans die from one of four ailments – cardiovascular disease, cancer, diabetes and chronic lung disease – and yet Republicans have held three dozen votes to repeal Obamacare, which expands healthcare coverage to 30 million Americans.

It is a surreal and difficult-to-explain dynamic. Americans seemingly place an inordinate fear on violence that is random and unexplainable and can be blamed on "others" – jihadists, terrorists, evil-doers etc. But the lurking dangers all around us – the guns, our unhealthy diets, the workplaces that kill 14 Americans every single day – these are just accepted as part of life, the price of freedom, if you will. And so the violence goes, with more Americans dying preventable deaths. But hey, look on the bright side – we got those sons of bitches who blew up the marathon.

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