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Re: Doctor Who Thread

Postby Chris » Sat May 18, 2013 10:07 pm

fieldy snuts wrote:
or maybe this will be how they get him out of the time locked history. in a story full of zygon's and the other two doctors i think this'll just end up being a larger set-up for the next season.

it'd be a massive waste if this entire season culminated into this introduction only to see it resolved so fast. especially wasting john hurt in a one-off anniversary special.


I would be very surprised if they kept John Hurt around beyond November.

Anyway, having John Hurt in the 50th Anniversary of Doctor Who wouldn't be a waste to me at all. It's not just some throwaway episode. It's kind of a big deal.
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Re: Doctor Who Thread

Postby David Bird » Sat May 18, 2013 10:54 pm

I enjoyed it. I think it brought the necessary weight the season's conclusion needed and I liked the explanation of Clara the Impossible Girl. It occurred to me as she was falling that this could be the end for her altogether, mission accomplished, but I understand she'll be back.

What I don't really understand is the role of the new, secret Doctor. The Doctor has always been burdened by the responsibility of what he did in the Time War. Why pawn it off on this incarnation?

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Re: Doctor Who Thread

Postby David Bird » Sat May 18, 2013 11:03 pm

Another thought, if Clara knows the Doctor's whole timeline (the Hurt story notwithstanding), how will that effect their future. She knows everything!

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Re: Doctor Who Thread

Postby doombug » Sun May 19, 2013 12:22 am

David Bird wrote:I enjoyed it. I think it brought the necessary weight the season's conclusion needed and I liked the explanation of Clara the Impossible Girl. It occurred to me as she was falling that this could be the end for her altogether, mission accomplished, but I understand she'll be back.

What I don't really understand is the role of the new, secret Doctor. The Doctor has always been burdened by the responsibility of what he did in the Time War. Why pawn it off on this incarnation?

It's not being pawned off on this mysterious new doctor. We have no idea what the situation was that caused this doctor to be under a different name.
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Re: Doctor Who Thread

Postby Zero » Sun May 19, 2013 1:46 am

I really didn't enjoy it.

The John Hurt reveal was interesting and made sense, but very little else did. River was a ghost for no reason, Clara's big secret is that she's just Clara, and the Great Intelligence was given so little motive that I was just really underwhelmed. I'd still love a Vastra, Jenny and Strax spinoff though.

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Re: Doctor Who Thread

Postby Thunderstorm » Sun May 19, 2013 4:34 am

Doctor Sweetie Please. Love it, hope they change the name of the show next season.

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Re: Doctor Who Thread

Postby fieldy snuts » Sun May 19, 2013 6:42 am

I just picked up what the Valeyard reference alludes to:

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"There is some evil in all of us, Doctor – even you. The Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say you do not improve with age." - The Master

So yeah it's set to turn up soon, potentially very soon.

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Re: Doctor Who Thread

Postby Amoebas » Sun May 19, 2013 7:45 am

David Bird wrote:Another thought, if Clara knows the Doctor's whole timeline (the Hurt story notwithstanding), how will that effect their future. She knows everything!

"Time can be rewritten" or maybe her human brain just can't grasp it all. I don't think this will be a game a changer.

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Re: Doctor Who Thread

Postby Punchy » Sun May 19, 2013 8:16 am

I really enjoyed the finale, it was awesome seeing all of the previous Doctors.

The John Hurt stuff is blowing my mind.

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Re: Doctor Who Thread

Postby Victorian Squid » Sun May 19, 2013 8:20 am

Made me want to re-watch old Doctor Who, but not new Doctor Who. Too much magical realism in tha sci-fi.

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Re: Doctor Who Thread

Postby Punchy » Sun May 19, 2013 8:22 am

Victorian Squid wrote:Made me want to re-watch old Doctor Who, but not new Doctor Who. Too much magical realism in tha sci-fi.


Doctor Who has never been 'hard' sci-fi really.

Its ridiculousness is a major part of its charm.

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Re: Doctor Who Thread

Postby Victorian Squid » Sun May 19, 2013 8:28 am

Punchy wrote:
Doctor Who has never been 'hard' sci-fi really.

Its ridiculousness is a major part of its charm.


Sort of yes, but this is a much different Who than I grew up with and skews further into emo territory. Like a lot of shows do these days. It's much easier for love and a leaf to save the day in the end, but it's not necessarily better writing, or at least not writing that I'm going to want to watch several times or in the future. Too many shows do it, another problem.

The best bit was the opening snippet of Gallifrey, but it was about 4 seconds long.

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Re: Doctor Who Thread

Postby Punchy » Sun May 19, 2013 8:29 am

Victorian Squid wrote:
Sort of yes, but this is a much different Who than I grew up with and skews further into emo territory. Like a lot of shows do these days. It's much easier for love and a leaf to save the day in the end, but it's not necessarily better writing, or at least not writing that I'm going to want to watch several times or in the future. Too many shows do it, another problem.

The best bit was the opening snippet of Gallifrey, but it was about 4 seconds long.


The 'power of love' is more interesting and easier to understand than some complex sci-fic mcguffin. It's more important to get across the emotions of the characters than to be clever for me.

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Re: Doctor Who Thread

Postby Punchy » Sun May 19, 2013 8:31 am

But I could watch Matt Smith's Doctor do anything and I'd enjoy it, such a fun performance. Any problems I have with the show are smoothed over by the high quality acting from both him and Jenna-Louise Coleman and Richard E Grant.

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Re: Doctor Who Thread

Postby Victorian Squid » Sun May 19, 2013 8:47 am

Punchy wrote:
The 'power of love' is more interesting and easier to understand than some complex sci-fic mcguffin. It's more important to get across the emotions of the characters than to be clever for me.


It's not an either/or dichotomy. :smt102

This season, I had higher expectations but found several of the episodes just too dull. Mixed feelings on the finale, but still hold out hope for the 50th special.

I shouldn't argue any more about it, as it will take me perilously close to 30000 posts at which time I will retire from the internet.

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