Doctor Who Thread
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Sure, more could. But the Valeyard, specifically, was a known version of the Doctor and it was a future version. I think if you get into the Time War changing shit all willy nilly, you start getting into lazy storytelling, because then you can just use the Time War as an excuse for literally anything you want. Also, the Valeyard was evil. Hurt's Doctor, from what little we know, wasn't so much evil as he did what was necessary "for peace" or whatever it is that he said. But he crossed the line that the Doctor never crosses, thus, he didn't act in "the name of the Doctor"... Here is a spoilery pic from the 50th set, showing Hurt in-costume... [Reveal] Spoiler: Click to Expand ![]() Looks to me like he was "The Time War" Doctor.. seems like he's wearing both the 8th Doctor's clothes, and the 9th Doctor's leather jacket. So I can only assume whatever bad he did, was something during the Time War, that possibly led to its end and getting time-locked. Which, as I said earlier, is why it'd be pretty insanely disappointing if Eccleston didn't return for this given the subject matter. |
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All good points, but sometimes an act of evil is needed for what is needed. In this case multiple genocides. He might not be The Valeyard as we saw, but a new version. Love that picture and what you've pointed out about it. I wish McGann and Eccleston would cameo in it. The awesome of it would be... well awesome. |
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We knew that Eccleston's Doctor was the one dealing with the fallout of the Time War from the get-go, and we knew he saw and did some shit, because his Doctor was always kind of sad. But if this is true, then he'd be the one trying to figure out how to be "The Doctor" again after doing some horrible shit to end the war. Puts a new light on it all, really. |
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I'm not sure why this is blacked out. There aren't any spoilers. |
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[Reveal] Spoiler: Click to Expand
Keep in mind that their source is John Hurt himself, so in this case, I think The Sun's credibility can be trusted. |
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Better to be safe than sorry. |
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It doesn't need to be a re-writing time thing. You can get to the same end result by just saying Hurt did some terrible shit in the name of ending the war, and stopped going by the name of The Doctor in the process... then he died, and regenerated into Eccleston, who was so appalled by what he'd done that he basically disowned Hurt completely, and made his entire existence this big secret.. and lived with the shame of it, which is where we meet him in Season 1. I don't think it needs to be this complex thing where Hurt was the 9th Doctor, but Ecclestone was the 9th Doctor as well, but then time was rewritten, and this and that... just make it that Eccleston was the 9th "Doctor" but the 10th incarnation of the character. It's not as if he goes around calling himself the "11th Doctor" and stuff in-story. The numbering has always been more for the fans' than anything in-story. And in the finale, he even says that Hurt didn't hold the title of "Doctor". |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_(Doctor_Who)
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Ending the Time War and destroying Gallifrey are not really secrets as we saw in the earlier secrets where everyone knew about that... |
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Like Squid said, I don't see why you need any kind of McGuffin. It's the McGuffinrey to which I object, not the superficial trappings of it. You can convey all the emotions you like without having a stupid story. 99% of the time when people make this argument you can easily think of a way of telling exactly the same story with equal or greater emotional weight that doesn't also have a plot that turns on hand-wavy gibberish. Squid is completely right about this. It's happening in more and more stories now - not just Who but most sci-fi/fantasy - and it's getting old. |
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That's what fans had for the Shalka Doctor. Given recent episodes... probably not so. |
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