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[Herald]

Totally flawed logic, I say. I will add a hypothetical sentence to the end of PDH's sentence to illustrate how what he said does not in any way state that "pandering to male nerds" exclusively means "nearly naked woman".

"I didn't claim that the movie was not pandering to male nerds. I think that it was with that scene at least. I also think it was pandering to male nerds when Spock yelled, 'KHAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!'"

Just because he said that the scene in question is a form of pandering to male nerds doesn't in any way suggest that it's the ONLY form.

I never said that it's the ONLY form. You assume that I said that. Also, notice that even PDH himself didn't try to argue that part you are arguing about; even he knows that I was right about that.

I wouldn't make that claim, man. Just because one woman likes seeing underdressed women doesn't mean "many" of them do. Have you seen my thread about the "6 Stupid Superheroine Designs That Need Redesign, Stat!", in which a female artist bends over backwards to cover up every superheroine she was asked to redesign?? And the female writer of the article badmouths the near-nakedness of every female character up for redesign except her best buddy, Emma Frost?? That's the sort of thing that messes up your claim

Totally not what I said. In fact, I literally said that most females do not want to see naked chicks. (My wife included.) See below...

Not because I think that most females want to see naked chicks...but because they like to see sexually explicit things as well. Things that excite them.

Women are just as much human beings as men are. They have an inherent want and need for sexual excitement as well. I don't think they want to see the same things men do, however. We want to see the obvious stuff like actual sex and bare boobies. They are more interested in emotional connections in movies, and in that scene, there was sexual tension between the two characters. That sexual tension is what I believe would be a draw for many women.

You did say that "they like to see sexually explicit things as well"; that's the part I take issue with. (I highlighted it above for easy reference.) I'm not talking about the "emotional connections" part of your argument, since emotional connections are not "sexually explicit". Sexually explicit things include nudity and penetration. You know, things kids ought not to see... and things not all women like to see.

Also, your example of the superheroine redesign is relevant, but it's hardly proof. You are referencing a single woman. In fact, even if you reference 1,000 articles it still is only a tiny fraction of the view of the masses. A poor sample really. Just like me citing my wife is a poor sample.

As long as you realize that last line.

Oh, and for the record, I referenced TWO women, not just one.

The reality is, no one can speak for the masses. What you hear on TV or read in articles and blogs...those are the loud people, not the average people. Especially when it comes to a more taboo topic like this. For example, if we were straight up suggesting that most females love to see naked chicks in movies, how many females do you think would openly admit it? Sure, there would be some, but most would keep quiet or just flat out deny it, I imagine. So I suppose, after reading my own argument, I am concluding that it's a silly thing to try to prove (one way or the other), and I still firmly stand by my theory simply out of pride and an inability to give up so early in a debate. (Don't mistaken that as a backwards way of saying that I think I'm wrong either.) =D

So, like I said, you shouldn't have gone down that road in the first place.

Ha! Just to clarify, I was only kidding around. I really do think his argument is pretty sound. You do make some good points as well, I think, but a lot of your statements are pretty soaked with sarcasm and perhaps a little disdain, so it's difficult to weed through them. I would say that maybe this is the reason that people tend to side against you. Maybe their bias isn't blindly toward PDH...it could be blind bias against you.

Like you said, it's blind, based on emotion.

As some pointy-eared Trek character would say, "Most illogical..."

Absolutely! WOOOOO!!!!!!!!! *punches the nearest Outhouser in the face and throws a table over*

[S.F. Jude Terror]

Pwned by a sonnet.

[S.F. Jude Terror]

And oddly enough, I don't think it's the first time that's happened on the Outhouse.

[Herald]

I'm sorry, I do apologise.

As well you should.

Oh, and I'm not impressed that you FINALLY figured out how to Google Shakespearean quotes. If you wanted to prove that YOU YOURSELF knew anything about the Bard, the time to do that was BEFORE you asked "Who's MacDuff?" Learn more so you'll do better next time, though.

[Jubilee]

Shakespeare quotes?

Herald thought they were actual Shakespeare quotes! Hahahaha! He'd changed the words around not quoted Shakespeare you idiot!

[jeremy]

I'm sorry, I do apologise.

Shall I compare thee to a broken clock?
Thou art more stubborn, though less right.
For twice a day the clock shall tick and tock,
In time whilst thou art always full of shite.
Or to, perhaps, a broken record, then?
Which drones a tedious, obnoxious song,
To baffle and annoy us all again,
With a tune both kind of sad and wrong.
It matters not to what thou art compared,
For at least a broken clock or record copes,
With far less whinging and more wisdom spared,
And without a million links to TVTropes.
So long as men can breathe or eyes can see,
So long thou wilt complain about DC.

And also, doth mother know thou wearest her drapes?

[Herald]

Shakespeare quotes?

Herald thought they were actual Shakespeare quotes! Hahahaha! He'd changed the words around not quoted Shakespeare you idiot!

"Lord, what FOOLS these mortals be!"

It's BASED on a Shakespearean sonnet, you idiot! THINK before you speak, for once!

[sdsichero]

I can forgive the use of future antiques, or redressing something to look alien or faux-tech. Or even no money to spend on it. This was just plain laziness.

I understand this. Old Kirk ended up having some antiques. However, I do feel that a lot of the design for this movie (and even the last movie) was bad. That crap LCD alarm clock was sad. Engineering is still a total mess. Hate the bridge too, but engineering is worse.

[GLX]

I haven't seen the movie, so I can't put the scene in context, but the fact that Alice Eve was paraded around in her underwear in like 75% of the promos and trailers for the movie doesn't exactly scream "she's more than just sex appeal!" to me.

Yep. She's attractive and all, but I can't see any deep need for it in promo material.

[guitargod694]

It requires knowledge of your arguments and posting history, it doesn't require knowledge of the Big Bang Theory.

You don't even have THAT, since you don't even know that I love the fact that I pissed off Dan so much that he had to take a swipe at me. Again, I post about it REPEATEDLY.

He's got you there, PDH...
If you did have knowledge of his arguments and posting history, you would know better than to engage in this conversation at all.

Wicked sonnet, though.

[S.F. Jude Terror]

[The Old Doctor]

ENOUGH!!!



Better?

































NO!!!



Now Better.

[Herald]

He's got you there, PDH...
If you did have knowledge of his arguments and posting history, you would know better than to engage in this conversation at all.

Hey, like I said, I spared everyone this argument the FIRST time PDH tried to make it happen. Some people just can't take a hint.

Wicked sonnet, though.

Don't say "wicked" unless you're time-traveling back to the '80s.

[Arion]

Pwned by a sonnet.

Ah the tragedy.

[SuperginraiX]

I'm sorry, I do apologise.

Shall I compare thee to a broken clock?
Thou art more stubborn, though less right.
For twice a day the clock shall tick and tock,
In time whilst thou art always full of shite.
Or to, perhaps, a broken record, then?
Which drones a tedious, obnoxious song,
To baffle and annoy us all again,
With a tune both kind of sad and wrong.
It matters not to what thou art compared,
For at least a broken clock or record copes,
With far less whinging and more wisdom spared,
And without a million links to TVTropes.
So long as men can breathe or eyes can see,
So long thou wilt complain about DC.

And also, doth mother know thou wearest her drapes?

Bravo.