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Entertainment Weekly's "25 Greatest Superheroes Ever"

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Amoebas

Son of Stein

Postby Amoebas » Fri May 24, 2013 5:08 pm

The new Entertain Weekly just arrived and in it they look at "The 25 Greatest Superheroes Ever". They went a step away from basic Top Lists and identified a particular version they liked best...

25) The Fantastic Four (Jack Kirby & Stan Lee)
24) Daredevil (Frank Miller)
23) Spider-Man (Sam Raimi)
22) Hulk (Lee & Kirby)
21) The Incredibles (Brad Bird)
20) Astonishing X-Men (Josh Whedon)
19) Oracle (John Ostrander & Kim Yale)
18) Hellboy (Mike Mignola)
17) Swamp Thing (Alan Moore)
16) Wolverine (Hugh Jackman)
15) Dream (Neil Gaiman)
14) Hulk (BIll Bixby/Lou Ferrgino)
13) Phoenix (Chris Claremont & Dave Cockrum)
12) The Flash (Carmine Infantino)
11) Superman (Fleischer Brothers)
10) Captain America (Ed Brubaker)
09) Black Panther (Don McGregor)
08) X-men (Claremont & John Byrne)
07) Batman (Christopher Nolan)
06) Wonder Woman (Lynda Carter)
05) Superman (Christopher Reeve)
04) Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.)
03) Buffy the Vampire Slayer (Whedon)
02) Batman (Miller)
01) Spider-Man (Steve Ditko & Lee)

And they also list the Worst 5 ever...

05) Wonder Woman (David E. Kelly)
04) The Wonder Twins (Hanna Barbera)
03) Catwoman (Halle Berry)
02) The Punisher
01) Matter-Eater Lad

Thoughts?
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superfictious

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Postby superfictious » Fri May 24, 2013 5:15 pm

The more times passes, the more I see Miller's version of Batman as overrated.

And if Miller's Batman is that high, then I don't see how Punisher makes the top 5 of the worst. Is there a link with explanations?
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The Old Doctor

A Damn Cuddly Beast

Postby The Old Doctor » Fri May 24, 2013 5:16 pm

Don't care.

It completely ignores a ton of characters from places other than DC or Marvel or Whedon.

Fail.
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Tintin Quarantino

Rain Partier

Postby Tintin Quarantino » Fri May 24, 2013 5:17 pm

That's a horrible and stupid list. Why the fuck is Dream even on it?
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The Old Doctor

A Damn Cuddly Beast

Postby The Old Doctor » Fri May 24, 2013 5:19 pm

Victorian Squid wrote:That's a horrible and stupid list. Why the fuck is Dream even on it?


He's a super-hero! :smt013
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superfictious

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Postby superfictious » Fri May 24, 2013 5:21 pm

I'm also sure a lot of old-timers would take offense to Kirby and Lee's FF being lower than Hugh Jackman's Wolverine.
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Amoebas

Son of Stein

Postby Amoebas » Fri May 24, 2013 5:28 pm

False Prophet wrote:I'm also sure a lot of old-timers would take offense to Kirby and Lee's FF being lower than Hugh Jackman's Wolverine.

I know I do.

And while on those two creators - as much as their FF should be a Top 3 contender - the inclusion of their Incredible Hulk at #22 is an insult.. to top lists. While a classic and beloved by geeks - it really was a mess and shouldn't be on anyone's top list.
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superfictious

Humuhumunukunukuapuaa

Postby superfictious » Fri May 24, 2013 5:32 pm

Amoebas wrote:I know I do.

And while on those two creators - as much as their FF should be a Top 3 contender - the inclusion of their Incredible Hulk at #22 is an insult.. to top lists. While a classic and beloved by geeks - it really was a mess and shouldn't be on anyone's top list.


Yeah, the rankings are...weird.
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Grayson

Outhouse Drafter

Postby Grayson » Fri May 24, 2013 5:35 pm

Victorian Squid wrote:That's a horrible and stupid list.


This. It's obvious what they are trying to do but it doesn't work. Throwing names around arbitrarily doesn't give this list any more credibility than a list that you would find on nuRama.
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The Old Doctor

A Damn Cuddly Beast

Postby The Old Doctor » Fri May 24, 2013 5:36 pm

Having versions weakens the claim for the list, IMO. You could double or triple list some like then FF for various creator's work.

Lee & Kirby
John Byrne
Pacheco
?
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Tintin Quarantino

Rain Partier

Postby Tintin Quarantino » Fri May 24, 2013 5:38 pm

Grayson wrote:
This. It's obvious what they are trying to do but it doesn't work. Throwing names around arbitrarily doesn't give this list any more credibility than a list that you would find on nuRama.


Why not old time radio's The Shadow? WWII serials Batman Lewis Wilson?
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The Old Doctor

A Damn Cuddly Beast

Postby The Old Doctor » Fri May 24, 2013 5:41 pm

Victorian Squid wrote:
Why not old time radio's The Shadow? WWII serials Batman Lewis Wilson?


The former was awesome. The later.... the former was awesome.

Add others like The Green Hornet, Doc Savage, Tarzan, Lone Ranger, Flash Gordon...
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Grayson

Outhouse Drafter

Postby Grayson » Fri May 24, 2013 5:43 pm

Victorian Squid wrote:Why not old time radio's The Shadow? WWII serials Batman Lewis Wilson?


Exactly. They throw out Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Hellboy or mention names like Bill Bixby and the Fleischers, expecting those names to give their list more credibility but in reality all it does it make the list appear pretentious. They throw the names out without really understanding who they are or why they are important. It's just a hastily put together piece that falls flat on every level.
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Jack Burton

biny little tird

Postby Jack Burton » Fri May 24, 2013 5:46 pm

The Fantastic Four are way to low on the list(I'm 33 not that old and it bothers me).
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Amoebas

Son of Stein

Postby Amoebas » Fri May 24, 2013 5:51 pm

Grayson wrote: They throw the names out without really understanding who they are or why they are important.

Or by omission - they give credit to Carmine Infantino for the Flash without a whisper of John Broome. :smt011

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