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by **Amoebas** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:08 am

Lame. Beyond lame. So glad I didn't waste a cent on this. And I simply loved how they explained how Pym was able to 'forget' everything.

So, the outcome of this is a fractured MU? Sounds like Hypertime to me so that all the continuity gaffes and mischaracterizations of the last 10 years are whimsically explained away. :roll:

by **jeremy** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:29 am

My review of AoU 10 (and series):

ugh

by **IvCNuB4** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:59 am

CBR just posted a review:

Click the link above for the full review. Select quotes are:

"Age of Ultron" has been a wild, dizzying and unpredictable roller coaster ride that has careened across the world, through time, into multiple alternate realities and back. With "Age of Ultron" #10, writer Brian Michael Bendis brings this epic continuity-bending tour to a satisfying and mind-blowing conclusion.

While Bendis wraps up the story admirably, it's the pleasantly-lengthy epilogue where minds in comic shops everywhere will ultimately be blown.

But critical commentary side, Bendis has successfully done what every comic publisher and creator can and should strive for: he has made this story's end plain and simple fun that evokes a kind of child-like wonderment.

by **guitarsmashley** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:25 am

WOW! I that does not at all read like a punchy job interview sample.

by **Mr. Log** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:28 am

IvCNuB4 wrote:CBR just posted a review:

Click the link above for the full review. Select quotes are:

I'm still waiting to hear what's so mind blowing.

by **The Beast** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:29 am

GHERU wrote:its more like Final Crisis (reality punch + the event might "explain" what was going on in other books)
meets Flashpoint (in that a 'hero' tries to change the past and fucks it all up)
meets House Of M (altered reality)

if you are looking for any kind of originality in this story, pass it up
if you are looking for any semblance of effort from those involved, pass it up

If, on the other hand, you want a $40 commercial for upcoming books without the inconvenience of a plot, likable characters, or the need to read above a 1st grade level, then House of Final Flashpoints is for you!

I'd LoL if I wasn't out $40 with a big Sucker sign stamped on my forehead...

by **Lord Ice** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:31 am

That's like a complete 180 from the reviews of it they did until now. Marvel must have finally swallowed instead of spit. :lol:

by **Chesscub** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:49 am

Lord Ice wrote:That's like a complete 180 from the reviews of it they did until now. Marvel must have finally swallowed instead of spit.

They gave up the nappy dugout.

by **Grayson** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:00 pm

Wasn't there an interview shortly after the announcement about Angela's big introduction, where the powers that be at Marvel explained that when she was introduced it would feel natural, like she was always a part of the Marvel Universe? Instead, her introduction felt just like the announcement of her introduction; out of nowhere, out of place, and painfully shoehorned into a place she simply doesn't fit.

The rest of the issue was just like the rest of the event, painfully underwhelming. I really hate to keep bringing this up but Bendis wasted so much time at the beginning of this event with so much unnecessary garbage, that he left himself virtually no room at the end to really get in to the parts of the story that should have mattered. It would have been nice to have a better explanation of what Hank Pym did to conveniently forget that 2 Wolverines came back into the past, one to kill him and one to stop the other one from killing him, in order to convince him to slip a line of code into Ultron's programming. I mean, that's just not the type of shit that one quietly forgets over time.

Also, can anybody explain to me why Carol Danvers was back in her Ms. Marvel costume? How about why everybody is ok with the fact that Wolverine literally killed time? I am really interested to see how/if they are going to try and justify that one.

by **syxxpakk** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:11 pm

This sounds AWESOME. I've got to find a way to get into Marvel.

by **ElijahSnowFan** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:13 pm

Grayson wrote:Also, can anybody explain to me why Carol Danvers was back in her Ms. Marvel costume? How about why everybody is ok with the fact that Wolverine literally killed time? I am really interested to see how/if they are going to try and justify that one.

She was in her Ms. Marvel costume because that's what she was wearing at the time that battle with Ultron took place, in Avengers 12.1. Time has been broken, though, because that's not how that battle went -- in that battle, Ultron fled.

And they should be OK with the fact that Wolverine killed time, for one huge reason: They've all done it. Bendis wrote a sequence in the issue that clearly stated that they all knew the risks of time travel yet continued to do it with total disregard to that consequence. Just because Wolverine was the last to do it and was the straw that broke the camel's back -- in order to save humanity, mind you -- doesn't make it worse than when supposedly educated men like Reed Richards, Tony Stark and Hank McCoy have done it just for the hell of it.

Though I realize that explaining this stuff is pointless -- every time I answer questions that are clearly addressed in the series, people act like it's the first time they've ever read a comic book.

Krypton doesn't exist. There are no little solar-battery babies named Kal-El who got to rocket through hyperspace before it exploded.

And we're OK with that. But Wolverine using an old Doctor Doom time machine and actually breaking the space-time continuum -- a trope I've heard for at least 30 years?

Well, hell. Can't believe that. Impossible. Couldn't have happened.

by **syxxpakk** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:17 pm

I hope it leads to Marvel's version of a Crisis, something I've wanted to read for years.

by **Grayson** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:24 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:She was in her Ms. Marvel costume because that's what she was wearing at the time that battle with Ultron took place, in Avengers 12.1. Time has been broken, though, because that's not how that battle went -- in that battle, Ultron fled.

Ah, ok. Makes sense now.

And they should be OK with the fact that Wolverine killed time, for one huge reason: They've all done it. Bendis wrote a sequence in the issue that clearly stated that they all knew the risks of time travel yet continued to do it with total disregard to that consequence. Just because Wolverine was the last to do it and was the straw that broke the camel's back -- in order to save humanity, mind you -- doesn't make it worse than when supposedly educated men like Reed Richards, Tony Stark and Hank McCoy have done it just for the hell of it.

Right, I get that but it brings me back to the fact that one man's calculated risk is more acceptable than another man's. Scott Summers put his faith in Hope and the Phoenix during AvX, the Avengers didn't understand it and attempted to sabotage the Phoenix which directly led to the creation of the five hosts of the Phoenix and eventually the death of Professor Charles Xavier. However, in the end, Scott Summers was right. Here we are with another character taking a calculated risk, one that resulted in significantly larger consequences than AvX, and the worst that will happen is a little slap on the wrist if that. One character is now viewed as a fugitive and a villain in the eyes of his peers, while the other will continue to go about his day as a hero. In my opinion, it's unbalanced.

by **ElijahSnowFan** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:24 pm

syxxpakk wrote:I hope it leads to Marvel's version of a Crisis, something I've wanted to read for years.

I think the stuff that was set up will be a lot of fun -- I have never had much interest at all in the Ultimate Universe. Just read a few pieces of stuff, here and there,.

Now, with Galactus getting ready to go to town? I might just pick up "Hunger" just to see how they deal with that shit -- correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Ultimate Universe a little more "de-powered" than the 616? Big G might run amok over there!

Plus, the space-time tears mean ANYTHING could happen. That's really exciting -- could we see Mark Gruenwald's Squadron Supreme again? Why not JMS' version of Nighthawk, who would instantly become the coolest effing character in the 616?

Spider-Man 2099, Doom 2099...just fun stuff to come.

by **Punchy** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:27 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:
I think the stuff that was set up will be a lot of fun -- I have never had much interest at all in the Ultimate Universe. Just read a few pieces of stuff, here and there,.

Now, with Galactus getting ready to go to town? I might just pick up "Hunger" just to see how they deal with that shit -- correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Ultimate Universe a little more "de-powered" than the 616? Big G might run amok over there!

Plus, the space-time tears mean ANYTHING could happen. That's really exciting -- could we see Mark Gruenwald's Squadron Supreme again? Why not JMS' version of Nighthawk, who would instantly become the coolest effing character in the 616?

Spider-Man 2099, Doom 2099...just fun stuff to come.

It's more depowered because most of the characters are dead.