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Which movie was best?

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Which was the best of the two?

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Re: Which movie was best?

Postby The Beast » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:32 pm

The Shadow wrote:Fair enough... though I didn't think anyone sounded like a teenage girl in high school. Maybe I missed it somewhere... :smt102

I still don't know what you mean... how is this action movie's pacing more commonplace or unoriginal than A) any other action movie and; B) more commonplace or unoriginal than MoS? and; C) Where is MoS superior?

Again, how is this different than other action movies?

One of my FAVOURITE action flicks, Die Hard, pretty much has Hans Gruber unable to contain most of his guys as they don't do as he says or when he says it until the inevitable defeat by John McLean.

So you don't like that the characters are like their comic inspiration? :smt017

Yes... as in every action movie including MoS.

Superman killing someone to attain a victory is just as much a contrivance in my eyes.


-Yes, you sure did.
-I can't help you grasp the definition of unoriginal. :smt102
-Hans Gruber isn't a god using mind control. He's fallible and so are his men but they aren't conveniently stupid in a way that ensures their defeat.
-I've always hated that aspect of the Marvel brand, probably why I was never a Marvel fanboy despite collecting their books for years.
-Thankfully MoS is one of the least guilty offenders to come around in years. The only reason why you'd think the conclusion to MoS was forgone was you were spoiled walking into it.
-Then you can't tell the difference between contrivance and controversy.

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Re: Which movie was best?

Postby The Beast » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:41 pm

Zechs wrote:
Everyone killed everyone in the Golden Age because that was the Golden Age. Heck even the Joker died in his first appearance originally. Plus that guy who died was probably a Nazi. And if movies and comics have taught me anything, Nazis have no souls. So... technically that wasn't a human life to begin with. He was on the level of a Parademon. So.. Superman didn't kill anyone then.


They are all soulless monsters, what makes nazi's so special compared to any other mass murderer?

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Re: Which movie was best?

Postby Draco x » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:58 am

LobsterJ wrote:The original Superam made 455 million adjusted for inflation. Proof positive that people crave a moral Superman done right more than a murdering douche.


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Re: Which movie was best?

Postby The Shadow » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:15 am

Ntikrst wrote:-Yes, you sure did.

GREAT! Seems you know when and where... point out some examples!!

Ntikrst wrote:-I can't help you grasp the definition of unoriginal.

Oh, as an English teacher I know its definition. What I don't know is how you think MoS had pacing that was MORE original than any other action movie.

Ntikrst wrote:-Hans Gruber isn't a god using mind control. He's fallible and so are his men but they aren't conveniently stupid in a way that ensures their defeat.

Wow, you sure don't know your Norse mythology, do you?

Did you see Thor at least?

Ntikrst wrote:-I've always hated that aspect of the Marvel brand, probably why I was never a Marvel fanboy despite collecting their books for years.

So you like the grandiose, nearly unflawed characters of DC? The ones that don't kill and always find another way?

Seems MoS wouldn't be up your alley as it's more a Marvel-type movie than a DC one.

Also, you bought comics you didn't like for years? I wish I had money for that!

Ntikrst wrote:-Thankfully MoS is one of the least guilty offenders to come around in years.

Wait... you didn't know Superman would win in the end? :smt017

Ntikrst wrote:-Then you can't tell the difference between contrivance and controversy.

:smt011

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Re: Which movie was best?

Postby The Shadow » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:17 am

Ntikrst wrote:
They are all soulless monsters, what makes nazi's so special compared to any other mass murderer?

Not every Nazi was a mass murderer. :smt011

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Re: Which movie was best?

Postby Spektre » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:49 am

Chris wrote:Why is this a poll?

Even people who liked MoS wouldn't claim it was better than Avengers.


I know right?!

Make It even.

Which is worse?

- The Man of Steel movie

- A root canal
- Continuity is or it is not. There is no such thing as soft continuity.
- A character IS his continuity.
- Continuity is consistency of the characteristics of people, plot, objects, and places seen by the reader or viewer.

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Re: Which movie was best?

Postby Spektre » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:59 am

Zechs wrote:

Yes, I fully agree with the Shadow. X3 > MoS. At least that movie had Kelsey Grammer as the Beast and Vinny Jones as the Juggernaut. Least that the X-Men doing their job and try to stop Jean going postal on people.

There is NOTHING. NOTHING good with MoS. This was a movie that was supposed to set-up things. X3 has the crime that it was supposed to end things. Yes it ended things crappy, but it still did give us a few tiny great things we'll remember the movie for.

Ten years from now people will look at it and mock the living hell of how dreary and stupid it was. Yet, we'll remember X3 more than MoS and still bitch about it. Hell Amazing Spider-Man did a better job at redoing a character than MoS. Superman is not a hard character to nail. On TV he's done perfect.

Yet now, in his last two movies there just seems to be this Christ-like message we're supposed to be getting from Superman. WTF? So in the third movie is he supposed to die for our sins for unleashing Doomsday then on the third day in the JLA movie he shall rise again?

I'm sorry the movie failed to understand what Superman means. From the ground up. It really isn't hard. Just go the Grant Morrison approach:




No need for a NAME actor to play Jor-El and watch Krypton's death over and over again. Just skip to what we want to see Superman doing shit like this:





It's the entire point for the climax of Superman vs. the Elite. It's simple. It's an easy concept to get. Scott Lobdell even gets the concept, yet morons in Hollywood seem not too. Superman is the ideal man strives to be. If he breaks and does something. Well what's to say if he does it again? It isn't hard to not get the character. Smallville at the very least got it well perhaps too much with Clark Kent. But still did it nail the ending and point of Superman? HELL YES.



And even though I love Hans Zimmer and the score he did for MoS.. NOTHING and I mean NOTHING touches the John Williams theme. Anytime I hear that theme? I still get chills, and teary eyed with a big goofy smile. Few things in life can do that to me. Peter Cullen's Optimus Prime is the other.. I have always said Superman needs to punch something, and he did that in the movie. But he also needs to do a few other things which MoS failed epicly at.

MoS was a horrible movie and if there's a sequel how do you top it? You can't use Bizarro, Metallo, Parasite, Toyman, or Silver Banshee because those are the "weak" villains now. You have to use Doomsday, Mongul, and Brainiac but you HAVE to do Lex Luthor cause he's Lex Luthor, but after Zod doesn't he seem pointless now? After such a alien threat we go from epic cosmic to small human threats? Shouldn't it be the other way around?


Agreed on most ALL accounts especially John Williams. I expect a few hundred years from now people will still no John Williams' music. He has been very prolific and an extraordinarily high level.
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Re: Which movie was best?

Postby The Beast » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:12 pm

The Shadow wrote:GREAT! Seems you know when and where... point out some examples!!

Oh, as an English teacher I know its definition. What I don't know is how you think MoS had pacing that was MORE original than any other action movie.

Wow, you sure don't know your Norse mythology, do you?

Did you see Thor at least?

So you like the grandiose, nearly unflawed characters of DC? The ones that don't kill and always find another way?

Seems MoS wouldn't be up your alley as it's more a Marvel-type movie than a DC one.

Also, you bought comics you didn't like for years? I wish I had money for that!

Wait... you didn't know Superman would win in the end? :smt017

:smt011


-Why would I waste my time trying to convince you of anything? Whedon has one voice when it comes to dialogue, Buffy=Angel=Firefly=Cabin in the Woods=Avengers. If his brand of cutie pie/ironic hipster banter doesn't bother you, congratulations, you like something I don't.
-When did I claim MoS had pacing that was MORE original than any other action movie? That's your straw man, not my argument. Why is it that so many English teachers have such piss poor reading comprehension?

But hey, maybe you can help me source an old quote that I love so dearly, "Those who can, do, and those who can't, teach."

-I don't need to know Norse mythology when the movie lays out all the logic I need to know. Loki can control the minds of men, until the plot requires that these men break control to build failsafes into the mcguffin device to ensure victory for our heroes.
-Never got interested in DC until Crisis was imminent and big changes were coming. I hate the black and white morality of the Silver Age and now I trade wait everything.
-MoS is right up my alley because I've always wanted to see DC characters with more of a Marvel style execution, as long as the feet of clay is kept to a minimum.
-Holy FUCK, are you hostile! This is why I hate teachers, they always resort to aggression and ridicule to ensure conformity. I don't like what you like, get the fuck over it. I liked all the comics I bought, but I was never completely in love with every aspect of them. DC was too preachy and Marvel was too whiny.
-If the ending wasn't spoiled for me, then I would not have been so certain how Superman would achieve total victory without making some hard choices. This suspense was lacking in the 3rd act of Avengers, I knew everything would turn out just fine and our heroes would achieve total victory without compromise.
-OMDV, you preferred Avengers, I preferred MoS. You like Silver Age formula, I prefer Golden Age formula, always have, always will.

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Re: Which movie was best?

Postby The Shadow » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:37 pm

Ntikrst wrote:-When did I claim MoS had pacing that was MORE original than any other action movie? That's your straw man, not my argument.

But you're saying MoS does compared to Avengers. Before we go further I know you did because the choices were MoS or Avengers and you said Avengers was a distant second.

Now that that's clarified, let's continue dissecting your 'argument' shall we? Your replies are bolded and mine are in italics to make it easy.

You said Avengers, in comparison to MoS had "pedestrian pacing".

I then asked you to explain your point.

You said "Pedestrian as in commonplace, unoriginal."

I asked a series of questions. "I still don't know what you mean... how is this action movie's pacing more commonplace or unoriginal than A) any other action movie and; B) more commonplace or unoriginal than MoS? and; C) Where is MoS superior?"

You never responded and totally avoided the question. You can CLEARLY see both points B and C relate to MoS.

And then you said "I can't help you grasp the definition of unoriginal" Which I am quite familiar with... your replies fall into the category.

I then explained my profession and asked again "What I don't know is how you think MoS had pacing that was MORE original than any other action movie." That would include Avengers.

And now we're here... with you insulting my profession and still not explaining your point. :smt102

Ntikrst wrote:Why is it that so many English teachers have such piss poor reading comprehension?

Based on your lack of reply to some very simple questions I often wonder why is it so many people on forums have such piss poor reading comprehension. Maybe the BC school system failed you.

Am I using bigger words than you are comfortable with? Should I write at a lower level to help you understand the questions? Should I reword them (yet again) using easier words to simplify them?

How can I help you?

Ntikrst wrote:maybe you can help me source an old quote that I love so dearly, "Those who can, do, and those who can't, teach."

Not everyone is capable of being a teacher. We have to wade through many shit writings by people who THINK they are smart yet don't answer the simple questions that were put in front of them. Sound familiar?

It takes patience to be a teacher (such as me showing how you're avoiding answering simple questions) and accusing me of straw man arguments when you can plainly see it was a part of a series of questions in relation to your initial point.

Ntikrst wrote:I don't need to know Norse mythology

Yet it seems you do.

You say "Not this god who can't keep his thralls in check and not this army that cruises downtown New York until it's time for them to be attacked/defeated."

Yet if you knew Norse mythology you'd know Loki is almost always at fault for his own plans failing. Whedon did a great job of incorporating this aspect of his character from myth to movie.

But what would I know? I'm, only a teacher...................... :smt006

Ntikrst wrote:Holy FUCK, are you hostile!

I don't think you know what hostile means.

Because if you did you would see your post is teeming with hostility from insulting my profession to swearing to 'yelling' by using all caps.

Ntikrst wrote:This is why I hate teachers, they always resort to aggression and ridicule to ensure conformity.

Sometimes we use it to combat stupidity too.... :smt006

Ntikrst wrote:I don't like what you like, get the fuck over it.

Hostile.

Ntikrst wrote:This suspense was lacking in the 3rd act of Avengers, I knew everything would turn out just fine and our heroes would achieve total victory without compromise.

A fortune teller too!

How did you know MoS would be faced with such earth shattering challenges?

Ntikrst wrote:you preferred Avengers, I preferred MoS.

You finally got something right!

Ntikrst wrote:You like Silver Age formula, I prefer Golden Age formula, always have, always will.

No, I don't prefer the Silver Age formula (though I see some benefits to it I also see drawbacks). I much prefer the modern style of comic.

... your fortune teller skills don't translate to mind reading...

And you haven't read much Golden Age have you?

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Re: Which movie was best?

Postby xshane666x » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:55 am

3 people have super shitty taste in movies. :-)

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Re: Which movie was best?

Postby xshane666x » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:57 am

3 people have super shitty taste in movies. :-)

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Re: Which movie was best?

Postby The Beast » Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:09 pm

The Shadow wrote:But you're saying MoS does compared to Avengers. Before we go further I know you did because the choices were MoS or Avengers and you said Avengers was a distant second.

Now that that's clarified, let's continue dissecting your 'argument' shall we? Your replies are bolded and mine are in italics to make it easy.

You said Avengers, in comparison to MoS had "pedestrian pacing".

I then asked you to explain your point.

You said "Pedestrian as in commonplace, unoriginal."

I asked a series of questions. "I still don't know what you mean... how is this action movie's pacing more commonplace or unoriginal than A) any other action movie and; B) more commonplace or unoriginal than MoS? and; C) Where is MoS superior?"

You never responded and totally avoided the question. You can CLEARLY see both points B and C relate to MoS.

And then you said "I can't help you grasp the definition of unoriginal" Which I am quite familiar with... your replies fall into the category.

I then explained my profession and asked again "What I don't know is how you think MoS had pacing that was MORE original than any other action movie." That would include Avengers.

And now we're here... with you insulting my profession and still not explaining your point. :smt102


MoS had non-linear pacing in the second act to break up the monotony of watching Clark grow up while Avengers had purely linear pacing, how could you be so fucking obtuse that you need that spelled out for you?

Based on your lack of reply to some very simple questions I often wonder why is it so many people on forums have such piss poor reading comprehension. Maybe the BC school system failed you.

Am I using bigger words than you are comfortable with? Should I write at a lower level to help you understand the questions? Should I reword them (yet again) using easier words to simplify them?

How can I help you?


Don't confuse my lack of compliance to jump through your hoops and dignify your straw-man arguments with faulty reading comprehension.

Not everyone is capable of being a teacher.


Of course not, some of us have drive to accomplish something worthwhile with our lives.

You say "Not this god who can't keep his thralls in check and not this army that cruises downtown New York until it's time for them to be attacked/defeated."

Yet if you knew Norse mythology you'd know Loki is almost always at fault for his own plans failing. Whedon did a great job of incorporating this aspect of his character from myth to movie.


Too bad I'm not a Marvel Fanboy, or I'd be able to rationalize the plot hole as effectively as you.

I'm, only a teacher...................... :smt006


That's right, you aren't even worth a dime a dozen because there's so many of you.

I don't think you know what hostile means.

Because if you did you would see your post is teeming with hostility from insulting my profession to swearing to 'yelling' by using all caps.


That's not hostility, it's blowback from you passive aggressive behavior.

Sometimes we use it to combat stupidity too.... :smt006


Bullshit, it's your go to move, it's the one fucking note teachers know. Only an ignorant cunt would confuse non-compliance with stupidity.

How did you know MoS would be faced with such earth shattering challenges?


Because no plot holes showed up to give Superman an easy out.

You finally got something right!


One of us should.

No, I don't prefer the Silver Age formula (though I see some benefits to it I also see drawbacks). I much prefer the modern style of comic.


The watered down approach where there's a little bit of all incarnations in one? Look at you, developing a taste for diluted wine... :smt011

And you haven't read much Golden Age have you?


Where heroes killed, maimed, threatened and didn't have to save all the bad guys? Sure, just last night Superman threatened to rip out a guy's gizzard if he interrupted Superman's radio broadcast after he hijacked the studio.

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Re: Which movie was best?

Postby The Shadow » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:44 pm

Ntikrst wrote:MoS had non-linear pacing in the second act to break up the monotony of watching Clark grow up while Avengers had purely linear pacing, how could you be so fucking obtuse that you need that spelled out for you?

8) God I think I love you.

You mock me for my profession and yet YOU don't know what the fuck you're talking about? :smt005

MoS was non-linear in its storytelling technique. It had events, Clark growing up, that were not chronological.

There is no such thing as non-linear pacing you stunned cunt dipshit. :smt011 :smt005

Pacing is the frequency of exciting events in a movie. The more exciting events, the faster paced your screenplay. The fewer exciting events, the slower paced your screenplay.

So you didn't ever answer the question about how MoS's pacing was superior to Avengers.... because you didn't KNOW WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :smt005 :smt005 :smt005

How could you be so fucking obtuse that you need that spelled out for you? And then you try and come off as fucking smart?

Ntikrst wrote:Don't confuse my lack of compliance to jump through your hoops and dignify your straw-man arguments with faulty reading comprehension.

And, again, you don't answer a couple simple questions and create your own straw man argument. There's a word for people like you; hypocrite.

Ntikrst wrote:Of course not, some of us have drive to accomplish something worthwhile with our lives.

:smt006

That's me waving with my 4 year BEd and half completed Masters.

Ntikrst wrote:Too bad I'm not a Marvel Fanboy, or I'd be able to rationalize the plot hole as effectively as you.

I'm not a Marvel fanboy either. I just know my Norse mythology, unlike you, and am able to recognize Whedon bringing in elements of the myth.

If you weren't being such a douche bag and you had some basic Norse mythology knowledge, you might have been able see what was being done. It obviously went waaaaaay over your head. Too bad.

Ntikrst wrote:That's right, you aren't even worth a dime a dozen because there's so many of you.

Unless you're the CEO of some huge company I hate to break it to you but there are a lot of people with the same professions.

Ntikrst wrote:That's not hostility, it's blowback from you passive aggressive behavior.

Ah, an EXCUSE to be hostile. Got it.

See definition of hypocrite again.

Ntikrst wrote:Bullshit

Truth hurts. :wink:

Ntikrst wrote: it's your go to move, it's the one fucking note teachers know. Only an ignorant cunt would confuse non-compliance with stupidity.

And only an ignorant cunt would insult a profession he/she is not qualified to judge.

Ntikrst wrote:Because no plot holes showed up to give Superman an easy out.

The plot hole was Superman being forced into that situation.

Ntikrst wrote:One of us should.

Sadly it's not you.

Ntikrst wrote:The watered down approach where there's a little bit of all incarnations in one? Look at you, developing a taste for diluted wine.

That's about the worst analogy I've ever seen.

Fuck BC schools failed you...

Ntikrst wrote:Where heroes killed, maimed, threatened and didn't have to save all the bad guys? Sure, just last night Superman threatened to rip out a guy's gizzard if he interrupted Superman's radio broadcast after he hijacked the studio.

Ah, Superman THREATENED. He makes threats in the modern comics too. I think I know why you like the Golden Age stuff! It's written for kids under 10!

Now it all makes sense!!!!!!! :smt011

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Re: Which movie was best?

Postby The Beast » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:28 pm

The Shadow wrote:8) God I think I love you.


Well as long as we can agree to disagree that's all that matters isn't it? :lol:

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Postby The Shadow » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:11 pm

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Well as long as we can agree to disagree that's all that matters isn't it? :lol:

Indeed. :drunk

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