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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby Chesscub » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:20 am

Jack Burton wrote:I can sort of do it depending on the level of problems I have with the views I guess.

For example OSC? Screw him and all his projects.Dude is a flat out bigoted piece of garbage.

Guys like Chuck Dixon or Bill Willingham though I can deal with. We disagree on a lot of stuff but they haven't posted anything to my knowledge I find horribly offensive.


See that's about where I stand. I've met Bill Willingham several times. Very jovial and very nice. I know his politics and mine don't mesh so I wouldn't probe that way but he got a kick out of me pulling out an old pinup book he had a drawing in.

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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby achilles » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:36 am

Interesting responses. I think they've helped me thrash out my feelings on the topic. I agree that it depends. Political differences I don't have a problem with. If I only read things or enjoyed art or music by people who don't hold my political viewpoints, I'd be robbing myself of potentially a lot of pleasure and even thought provoking materiel, (after all, if you only read people who agree with you, how are your beliefs ever going to be challenged).

I understand that there ARE a lot of people who only read people they agree with. I just don't think that should be me.

As for more serious stuff, actual crimes, well, I draw a line there. I'm still torn on Wagner though. I just really don't know what to think. Of art or music by him or anyone with whom I have a similar problem. I suppose it might go to how far they go beyond just speaking or writing those thoughts.
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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby GiveWarAChance » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:43 am

I just want to know where this comic book store is located so I can check out these sketches out for myself. Any good one's there?
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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby Chesscub » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:19 am

GiveWarAChance wrote:I just want to know where this comic book store is located so I can check out these sketches out for myself. Any good one's there?


Merrymac Comics and Games. It's on US 3 in Merrimack, NH. One was of The Spirit. Another was of The Baroness (I want to say).

They had a Art Adams sketch, Ed McGuiness, Ken Haeser, Sara Richards, Scott Wegener. All reasonably priced.

The original comic artwork however was overpriced. :-(

I'm thinking about going back to get an autographed back issue I saw that I debated about.

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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby GiveWarAChance » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:25 am

Chesscub wrote:
Merrymac Comics and Games. It's on US 3 in Merrimack, NH. One was of The Spirit. Another was of The Baroness (I want to say).

They had a Art Adams sketch, Ed McGuiness, Ken Haeser, Sara Richards, Scott Wegener. All reasonably priced.

The original comic artwork however was overpriced. :-(

I'm thinking about going back to get an autographed back issue I saw that I debated about.

They have original art and autographed comics too? I have to go check that place out. I might just find my way down there today. I don't really have any money but I'll take a look around.
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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby Lord Simian » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:35 am

I think that I can seperate pretty well. For example, I've never read Ender's Game, but if I woke up inclined to, I wouldn't let my thoughts on his political views stop me. I might borrow a copy, or I might buy if I couldn't borrow.

I think that, like a bunch of others have said, I'm especially able to do so if they're not directly benefiting. I love Errol Flynn movies, but he had a definite unscrupulous history. But he's dead, so he's not involved in my decision. John Wayne? Love his films. Hurt a lot of people during the blacklist era, but his choices in life don't affect my ability to enjoy watching him shoot Liberty Valance.



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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby Frag » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:51 am

I should have known guys. I could have stopped him. I met Justiniano at NYCC and asked him to draw me a sketch of his favorite comic character merged with his favorite movie character. He did this:

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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby The Old Doctor » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:55 am

Chesscub wrote:Can you do that?

I was at a relatively new comic shop yesterday in Merrimack, NH. They had some sketches up on the wall for sale. I was looking at a couple of them that I liked. I generally can tell who it is from the style or the signature.

So I asked the guy who it was. It was Justiniano. My response "oh." His answer "That's what most people say when they hear that. That's why it's marked down so low"

I just couldn't bring myself to buy it knowing what he did.

Could you?


Nope. I was never a fan of his which helps, but the thought can ruin any enjoyment. Sometimes I can get past some artists being assholes or nutjobs...

I think it depends on how the art hits you and how the news of the artist affects you.
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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby The Old Doctor » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:58 am

Lord Simian wrote:I think that I can seperate pretty well. For example, I've never read Ender's Game, but if I woke up inclined to, I wouldn't let my thoughts on his political views stop me. I might borrow a copy, or I might buy if I couldn't borrow.

I think that, like a bunch of others have said, I'm especially able to do so if they're not directly benefiting. I love Errol Flynn movies, but he had a definite unscrupulous history. But he's dead, so he's not involved in my decision. John Wayne? Love his films. Hurt a lot of people during the blacklist era, but his choices in life don't affect my ability to enjoy watching him shoot Liberty Valance.



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This. Card's a real piece of work, but that novel was terrific.
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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby outsider » Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:08 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:
This. Card's a real piece of work, but that novel was terrific.
Plus, people change, for good or bad. When Card wrote Ender's Game, he could have been more liberal, and developed into a bigot. On the flip side, he could have a change of heart about gay rights like so many Congresspeople have. Everything's fluid and flux.

Look at nieto - he went from trolling MoTA to banning trolls himself! :lol:
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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby nietoperz » Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:11 pm

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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby Herald » Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:16 pm

As with everyone else, it depends. I still like the Beast Boy mini that Justiniano drew back in 2001 before all this crap was revealed, especially since he gave Flamebird a cool new costume, after she Took a Level in Badass. But if it came to a new book by him... yeah, probably not.

Meanwhile, I would gladly buy any Dixon book I was interested in. Chuck's never let his love of guns stop him from writing gun-hating Batman AND Nightwing AND Robin AND Oracle/Black Canary well. And I admire him in general for writing all those surface-similar characters so distinctly on such a consistent basis. So he gets the thumbs-up.

As for Card, since he's mentioned outright that he puts the money he earns towards his... questionable causes, I might buy something of his secondhand, if at all.
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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby outsider » Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:16 pm

nietoperz wrote::roll:
Aw, c'mon, the perfect comeback would have been "And I know which troll is next..."
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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby syxxpakk » Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:18 pm

Herald wrote:As for Card, since he's mentioned outright that he puts the money he earns towards his... questionable causes, I might buy something of his secondhand, if at all.


Huh, well you have a smidgen of decency at least.
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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby Rockman » Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:30 pm

Nieto don't feel too bad about missing the Ender's game movie, it's directed by Gavin Hood, the guy who gave us Wolverine: Origins.

I try my best not to separate art from artist. There are a few actors who I have a personal boycott against, and especially Roman Polanski.

It's not like there is a shortage of entertainment in the world, I can afford to be particular :-D

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