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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby achilles » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:42 am

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Interesting presumption to make.


Probably correct too, considering where and to whom he was speaking... :wink:

Also considering his history.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby The Old Doctor » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:17 am

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Well, actually...


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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby Frag » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:17 pm

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He's not very good at defining things. He just likes to attempt to pick apart others.


I pick apart terrible arguments, but yours are too easy.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby habitual » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:59 pm

achilles wrote:Meanwhile, about that Stand Your Ground law that Eric Holder, Stevie Wonder, and the NAACP hate...

For those who don't want to bother with the link, a quick summary. Blacks use and benefit disproportionately from the law as compared to whites. They invoke it at double their percentage of the population in Florida, and succeed at a higher rate than do whites.

If you look at the raw data, (contained within a link in the above linked article), you'll see that invoking the law isn't an automatic success. There is for example a case of one white teen girl killing another over a boy. The killer invoked the law unsuccessfully.

This is the law that in his big speech the other day, Holder condemned as not having more benefit than harm, (presumably to the black community). If he wasn't interested in demagoguing, he might have checked his fact first.


This is a daily caller article....

In states with stand your ground laws whites whom shoot black are acquited at a rate 354% higher than states without stand your ground laws.

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby achilles » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:45 pm

habitual wrote:
This is a daily caller article....

In states with stand your ground laws whites whom shoot black are acquited at a rate 354% higher than states without stand your ground laws.

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So what who did it? It takes the raw data they provide a link to from a local paper and analyses it. Feel free to do you own analysis.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby Spektre » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:40 pm

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I pick apart terrible arguments, but yours are too easy.


You rant and prattle. One must have a framework to pick apart an argument.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:54 pm

Not even a full page today. Sorry Achilles. Stick a fork in it. It's done.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby Lord Simian » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:34 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:
:shock:

The beard conspiracy has grown back faster then you can say "Great Alan Moore's Beard!!!" !!!

You all also wear fedora's, don't you? Or have you all moved on to pork pie hats having seen the French Connection?! :shock:


Don't worry, I'm tired of mine. I'm shaving it off tomorrow, most likely. Might keep the mustache, never done that before... Unless it makes me look like a creeper. Maybe I can be the primate Cody Rhodes!

And oh man, I wish I could wear a fedora. I can't though; I'm one of those folks who just can't rock a fedora without looking doofy.

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:09 pm

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Don't worry, I'm tired of mine. I'm shaving it off tomorrow, most likely. Might keep the mustache, never done that before... Unless it makes me look like a creeper. Maybe I can be the primate Cody Rhodes!

And oh man, I wish I could wear a fedora. I can't though; I'm one of those folks who just can't rock a fedora without looking doofy.


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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby Lord Simian » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:23 pm

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You just need the right one.


I've never found your mythical "right one".

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby habitual » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:13 am

If you two are going to flirt start your own thread.

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:19 am

Don't be jealous Hab drive up to the city tomorrow and I'll take you to the hat store.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby achilles » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:04 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:Not even a full page today. Sorry Achilles. Stick a fork in it. It's done.


:cry:

I figured that out. :cry: Looking on the bright side though, maybe Zimmerman will go out and jaywalk! Then my thread can make it to a hundred! :-D
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby The Beast » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:25 am

Here I come to save your threeeaaaaaDDDDDD!!!!

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I pick apart terrible arguments, but yours are too easy.


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The facts matter, and trials are all about facts. Every time there is a high-profile trial, observers rush to draw conclusions about the American legal system—or even about American society—based on the results. But the idiosyncrasies of the trial process generally make such judgments unwise. A dog walker, a security camera, a clearer audio on a 911 tape—and we’d be having a very different conversation about the Zimmerman trial.

The conclusions almost tell more about the observers than about the underlying facts. Consider, for example, one of the critical pieces of evidence in the case—Zimmerman’s call reporting his sighting of Trayvon Martin. It turns out that the call is open to a variety of interpretations.

On the night of February 26, 2012, Zimmerman was patrolling the Retreat at Twin Lakes, a town-house development in Sanford, Florida. At 7:09 P.M., Zimmerman called the non-emergency police-response line. (He did not call 911.) Was he inside or outside of his car at that point? It’s not clear. The range of his observations suggests that he was outside, but he also says that it’s raining. Since you can’t hear any rain on the call, it might mean that he’s still inside the vehicle. (A sound that might be a door chime raises the possibility that he got out of the car during the call.) The fact of the call alone presents different avenues for interpretation. Zimmerman was conducting a neighborhood watch. Does that mean he was a frustrated, wannabe cop? Or does that mean he was a good citizen trying to help a community that was beset by break-ins?

The call begins with Zimmerman reporting a suspicious person walking around in the rain. Zimmerman says, “We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there’s a real suspicious guy.” He describes an unknown male “just walking around looking about” in the rain and says, “This guy looks like he is up to no good or he is on drugs or something.” Almost immediately, the dispatcher asks (Zimmerman does not volunteer the information) the subject’s race, and Zimmerman answers, “Black.” In a later observation during the call, Zimmerman confirms that the person is black. Zimmerman reports that the person has his hand in his waistband and is walking around looking at homes. Zimmerman says, further, “These assholes, they always get away.”

The dispatcher appears at first to be asking Zimmerman to keep an eye on the person. “Just let me know if this guy does anything else,” he says. A little later, Zimmerman says, “He’s running.” (Does the fact that Martin was running suggest that he was up to no good, or does it suggest that the young man was running away from Zimmerman?) The dispatcher asks, “He’s running? Which way is he running?” Again, this is an important point. It’s the dispatcher asking (for a second time) Zimmerman to watch the person.

At this point, Zimmerman follows Martin, eventually losing sight of him. The dispatcher asks, “Are you following him?” When Zimmerman answers, “Yeah,” the dispatcher says, “We don’t need you to do that.” Zimmerman responds, “O.K.” This is probably the best-known part of the exchange. The dispatcher says don’t follow him, one theory goes, Zimmerman does anyway, and that causes the fatal confrontation. But this view of the facts obscures the earlier part of the call—when the dispatcher appears to be asking Zimmerman to follow and report the person’s movements. The call ends when Zimmerman gives the dispatcher information about how the police should find him (Zimmerman, that is) in the complex. Zimmerman asks that the police call him upon their arrival so he can provide his location. Zimmerman ends the call at 7:13 P.M. The first police officer arrived on the scene at 7:17 P.M., by which time Trayvon Martin was already dead.

We’ll probably never know with absolute certainty what happened during those four (or so) critical minutes. But how people see the evidence of what happened—then and elsewhere, in this case and others—probably says more about them than about the evidence itself.


http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/07/the-facts-in-the-george-zimmerman-trial.html

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby habitual » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:32 am

I have 3:1 odds that nit takes his ball and runs home within 5 pages.

:lol:

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