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Grant Morrison Wants to Destroy Batman

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superfictious

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Postby superfictious » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:15 pm

chap22 wrote:it actually is a Batman comic book, and it's a tremendously entertaining Batman comic book at that. it's been better than Snyder's book and better than B&R (with the exception of the Annual) for quite a while.

and I say that as somebody who normally shit-talks Morrison as much or more than anybody.


Yeah, but you get the feeling that Grant's just about ready to move on.
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chap22

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Postby chap22 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:27 pm

superfictious wrote:
Yeah, but you get the feeling that Grant's just about ready to move on.

well, I think he's told his story. it probably should feel that way.
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Punchy

Staff Writer

Postby Punchy » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:33 pm

Will_Ripamonti wrote:It's not much relevant.
Technically Batman Incorporated is not a Batman comic book, it's a sock sponsored by DC Comics that Grant Morrison's ego use to masturbate in front of a mirror.


-- TT --
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:54 pm

chap22 wrote:it actually is a Batman comic book, and it's a tremendously entertaining Batman comic book at that. it's been better than Snyder's book and better than B&R (with the exception of the Annual) for quite a while.

and I say that as somebody who normally shit-talks Morrison as much or more than anybody.


This. Morrison's Batman was closer the the Batman I actually want to read. I got tired of the post-Dark Knight Bats that was more "Dark" than "Knight."

The Old Doctor

Postby The Old Doctor » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:06 pm

Grant Morrison, Does He Rape Your Batman Comics?

Yes. Yes he does.

But one super punch later... and it's all a bad dream.
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HNutz

Rain Partier

Postby HNutz » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:38 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:Grant Morrison, Does He Rape Your Batman Comics?

Yes. Yes he does.

But one super punch later... and it's all a bad dream.


Well, he made Bruce Wayne into a "deadbeat dad" until his baby momma dropped the kid off (who he later killed), Batman "died" not once but TWICE in his run (Batman R.I.P & Final Crisis, put Batman on a first-name basis with Gotham's "working girls"...

I think, if someone wanted to make that argument, they'd have a little ammunition.
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:50 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:Grant Morrison, Does He Rape Your Batman Comics?

Yes. Yes he does.

But one super punch later... and it's all a bad dream.



Do You Yell At Your Morrison Comics?
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ElijahSnowFan

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Postby ElijahSnowFan » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:58 pm

Where I am with Batman...I think I just had one reboot/rehash too many.

Snyder's run started off so strong...it just felt right. But the last few issues I picked up just felt like...I don't know.

Man, I don't know. I love Bruce Wayne. Even after almost 75 years, I think there are still great stories to tell about Bruce Wayne as Batman.

I just don't feel like we're getting them. Again, other people's mileage may vary, but man...for whatever reason, I simply do not feel like Bruce Wayne-as-Batman is as good as it should be, and Dick Grayson-as-Batman...was just better.

I'm sorry. It was just better. I don't know why. But Dick Grayson has been the best Batman I've read in, I don't know...15 years?
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Spektre

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Postby Spektre » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:30 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:Where I am with Batman...I think I just had one reboot/rehash too many.

Snyder's run started off so strong...it just felt right. But the last few issues I picked up just felt like...I don't know.

Man, I don't know. I love Bruce Wayne. Even after almost 75 years, I think there are still great stories to tell about Bruce Wayne as Batman.

I just don't feel like we're getting them. Again, other people's mileage may vary, but man...for whatever reason, I simply do not feel like Bruce Wayne-as-Batman is as good as it should be, and Dick Grayson-as-Batman...was just better.

I'm sorry. It was just better. I don't know why. But Dick Grayson has been the best Batman I've read in, I don't know...15 years?


Would very much be interesting if they brought the DCU back and allowed actually character development as opposed to as has been aptly called out this New 52 circle jerk.

Seems like many compelling stories could be had of an aging Bruce Wayne and passing the torch to Dick. Same with other legacies.

Heck, to keep the franchise going I don't mind a little Lazurus Pit action every now and again at long intervals...

Imagine after Dick had been Batman for 10 years or so, Bruce getting reinvigorated to where they are close to the same age.

And every now and then a hero dies. And stays dead.

But no, I'm sure these stories are much more compelling.
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HNutz

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Postby HNutz » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:36 pm

Spektre wrote:Would very much be interesting if they brought the DCU back and allowed actually character development as opposed to as has been aptly called out this New 52 circle jerk.

Seems like many compelling stories could be had of an aging Bruce Wayne and passing the torch to Dick. Same with other legacies.

Heck, to keep the franchise going I don't mind a little Lazurus Pit action every now and again at long intervals...

Imagine after Dick had been Batman for 10 years or so, Bruce getting reinvigorated to where they are close to the same age.

And every now and then a hero dies. And stays dead.

But no, I'm sure these stories are much more compelling.


I would have loved it if Bruce had semi-retired as Batman, doing the globetrotting thing for Batman, Inc. and the JLA thing while Dick serves as Gotham's Batman.
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Lord Simian

The Lord of the Monkeys

Postby Lord Simian » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:38 pm

Spektre wrote:And every now and then a hero dies. And stays dead.


In comics? That is a bald faced lie, and you know it. :groucho:
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Arion

Twenty-Something

Postby Arion » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:06 pm

SporkBot wrote:With DC mucking up so many other aspects of their universe, Wayne was probably feeling left out with just that whole "Catwoman booty call and angry costumes-on rooftop sex".

Ehh...Morrison may write over my head from time to time (more than Straczynski, not as much as Alan Moore), but I'm willing to give whatever he dishes out a fair shake.

Still...he's coming right out and saying he's wants to "destroy" Batman. I guess that's more honest than what DC execs have done with certain other characters I don't need to name.


Those DC execs are not honest people.
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SporkBot

Motherfucker from Hell

Postby SporkBot » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:26 pm

HNutz wrote:I would have loved it if Bruce had semi-retired as Batman, doing the globetrotting thing for Batman, Inc. and the JLA thing while Dick serves as Gotham's Batman.


That's something I could get behind. After Final Crisis, I knew Bruce would be back, but at the same time, I did enjoy Grayson's run. So when they decided to have a "global" Batman and a "Gotham" Batman, I loved the idea. It kept the status quo, but at the same time let Grayson move up. But that clearly didn't jive with DC.

Arion wrote:
Those DC execs are not honest people.


True, but Morrison is not a DC exec.
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Zechs

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Postby Zechs » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:40 pm

Morrison sounds defeated and exhausted in the interview. That he was trying to bring something back to the Batman books and DC higher up's demanded the usual. So Morrison gave them just that.

Re-reading Batman & Robin and the first vol. of Batman Inc was such a fun trip. They really are my favorite portions of his run. Heck, I'm starting to warm to Batman R.I.P. more as a mockery and parody of his toward everything wrong in a Batman book.

....

GET THE KOOL-AID AWAY FROM ME I THINK IT'S EFFECTING MY MIND!!!!
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Pink_Orchid

The Virgin Connie Swail

Postby Pink_Orchid » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:10 pm

Juan Cena wrote:

Do You Yell At Your Morrison Comics?


I did. Then I used them as packing paper.

I for one endorse Morrison's scorched earth policy on exiting Batman. :smt077

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