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Jim Lee Speaks on Harleygate, Teaches Fans About Context

Postby LOLtron » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:08 pm

Jim Lee Speaks on Harleygate, Teaches Fans About Context

The DC Co-Publisher explains why everyone was overreacting to a contest asking artists to draw Harley Quinn naked and committing suicide.



Source: Twitter

DC Co-Publisher Jim Lee is a professional comic book artist (when he feels like it), so he understands something about comic books that all you readers complaining about the recent Harley Quinn Suicide Contest Controversy don't: that there is a greater context that should be taken into account when judging a single panel in a comic book. You see, the panel artists were asked to draw featuring Harley Quinn naked in a bathtub committing suicide to win a gig on the upcoming Harley Quinn series from DC wasn't about suicide or sexualizing female characters or sexualizing female characters committing suicide. Fans only overreacted because they didn't take this overall context into account. Thankfully, Lee is happy to explain it to you on Twitter:

 

 

 

 

Yeah! Hashtag duh!

 

 

 

Yes, especially when the script for that page about a sensitive and controversial subject is posted in a contest entry with absolutely no context given. You should have inferred that DC meant something else, people.

 

 

Which is why one might not chose that page, alone, for a public contest a week before World Suicide Prevention Day, particularly when that company has suffered from foot-in-mouth disease over similar stuff, like, a gazillion times in recent memory. But again... this is your failing as a reader, somehow.

 

 

See?

 

 

 

No, Jim! Not a fridge! Have you learned nothing?!

 

 

 

 

 

Is that what happened to Dan Didio before started replying to fans on Twitter over Batwomangate?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And it's certainly not DC's fault if the readers chose to see the worst one. Why should DC's marketing department think about those kinds of things before publishing a contest. There's hologram covers to be made!

 

 

 

 

Which is what makes a controversial, easy to misinterpret panel the perfect thing to provide as a contest entry with no context whatsoever... NOT!

 

 

Please, go on.

 

 

Yes...

 

 

Yes. Which is what makes the whole thing so tragic. If DC had made that clear in the first place, they might have avoided 90% of the backlash.

 

 

 

 

 

Um... Those are using suicide lightheartedly to make a point. Probably not the best examples.

 

 

Wouldn't it be nice if DC didn't put itself in a position where it needed to explain this?

 

 

 

Ah. Blame the Creator. One of my favorite DC games.

 

 

Unfortunately, comics, and DC in particular, don't have a very good track record in that regard.

 

 

As any of these names can attest to:

Nick Spencer, John Rozum,
J.T. Krul, George Perez,
Gail Simone, Ron Marz, Chris Roberson.

Rob Liefeld, Karen Berger,
SImone again, Robert Vendetti
Jim Zubkavich, Art Baltazar and Franco.

Keith GIffen, Todd Farmer,
Josh Fialkov, Andy Diggle,
Tony S. Daniel, Mike Johnson, Bruce Timm had to go.
Mico Suayan, James Robinson,
Kevin Maguire, J.H. Williams,
W. Haden Blackman, "hey, it's all their fault" said Didio!

We didn't start the fire!
It was always burning since the world's been turning...

 

 

For instance, you might interpret them as having bigger collars or seam lines everywhere. Sorry, couldn't resist that one. :)

 

 

*(In best Johnny Carson voice)* At DC, it is extremely challenging.

 

 

Unfurl the Mission Accomplished banner.

 

 

Thanks, Jim. That was... wait a minute, is Superman wearing blackface in that picture? Why, DC?! Why?!



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RE: Jim Lee Speaks on Harleygate, Teaches Fans About Context

Postby Tigernan Quinn » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:22 pm

So what I got from this is that Jim Lee is a pedantic asshole.

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Re: Jim Lee Speaks on Harleygate, Teaches Fans About Context

Postby MikeinLA » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:31 pm

Lee should have just told the people whining about this non-issue to kill themselves.

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Re: Jim Lee Speaks on Harleygate, Teaches Fans About Context

Postby Punchy » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:34 pm

Jim Lee is right, it's obvious that Harley Quinn is going to be a highly comedic book, anyone who takes this seriously is an idiot.

I imagine that if this had happened on any week except BATWOMANGATE then people wouldn't care.

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Re: Jim Lee Speaks on Harleygate, Teaches Fans About Context

Postby bkthomson » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:37 pm

Give jim lee credit, he did try to explain it within context that has nothing to do with the issue at hand, but he made more of an effort then Didio ever tried.
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RE: Jim Lee Speaks on Harleygate, Teaches Fans About Context

Postby Steve Rubino » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:42 pm

I laughed harder at that comment than I probably should have. First comment wins the thread, well done!

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RE: Jim Lee Speaks on Harleygate, Teaches Fans About Context

Postby Steve McCredie » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:51 pm

I thought that was Bruce Banner going to the fridge, Jim, and finding someone ate his last whatever. I was going to call Marvel's legal department.

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Re: Jim Lee Speaks on Harleygate, Teaches Fans About Context

Postby SporkBot » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:04 pm

Firstly, Twitter is the LAST FREAKING PLACE to be making a statement that takes paragraphs to explain.

Secondly, it doesn't TAKE paragraphs to explain.

Third, I saw the sample script, and it struck me as being a dream sequence. I guess I can see what some people would miss that, and focus solely on the scene of Harley nekkid in the shower, but really...who really thought they were going to make Quinn grow gigantic and floss with a building's signal tower?

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Re: Jim Lee Speaks on Harleygate, Teaches Fans About Context

Postby The Shadow » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:13 pm

If Lee drew those three panels he used in his examples I gotta say, I prefer the more simple style to the busy cross-hatched mess the Superman pic is.

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Re: Jim Lee Speaks on Harleygate, Teaches Fans About Context

Postby achilles » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:18 pm

So, I started to read that before I realized it was War and Peace without any of the wit and humor. I'm going to guess that we're all stupid for not understanding DC's deep double secret plan and not realizing that this wasn't all about DC not sticking its foot up its mouth this time, but up a somewhat lower orifice?
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Re: RE: Jim Lee Speaks on Harleygate, Teaches Fans About Con

Postby Lord Simian » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:25 pm

FBtron wrote:I thought that was Bruce Banner going to the fridge, Jim, and finding someone ate his last whatever. I was going to call Marvel's legal department.


Psht! It's not the hulk, dude! It's my own TOTALLY original creation, Maul*. He's totally different, man. When he uses his powers, he's purple with green pants. Totally different, you don't have a legal leg to stand on.
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Re: Jim Lee Speaks on Harleygate, Teaches Fans About Context

Postby Draco x » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:29 pm

Yoda had this to say to Jim Lee and DC:
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RE: Jim Lee Speaks on Harleygate, Teaches Fans About Context

Postby Will Fe » Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:26 pm

Dear Jim Lee - We appreciate your taking time from your busy schedule to educate us on how we - your fans - were wrong. We agree to surrender our critical faculties and allow DC Editorial and Management to do the thinking for us. #gofugyourself

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Re: Jim Lee Speaks on Harleygate, Teaches Fans About Context

Postby Supersoldier Washout » Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:19 pm

So Jim Lee, who has never oversexualized a female character, (::coughs:: Voodoo, Zealot), wants us to calm our tits.

Gotcha!

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RE: Jim Lee Speaks on Harleygate, Teaches Fans About Context

Postby Walt Thompson » Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:42 pm

I'd like to give Jim Lee a special thanks for trying to make me feel retarded with his long-winded explanation that firmly puts him into the category of "deuchebag".

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