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Re: 5.2 Reasons Not to Fire Dan Didio

Postby Chesscub » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:15 pm

Herald wrote:
Your poor brother... I can't imagine the suffering he went through reading it... :-(



Indeed. :twisted:


Actually, he hasn't read it yet. He's so far behind on his reading, it'll be 2020 before he gets to it. His to be read pile is worse than mine. I explained to him about "Harold Whiner"

OMG, that's who's under hood in Forever Evil #1! :shock:

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Re: 5.2 Reasons Not to Fire Dan Didio

Postby Herald » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:34 pm

Chesscub wrote:
Actually, he hasn't read it yet. He's so far behind on his reading, it'll be 2020 before he gets to it. His to be read pile is worse than mine.


Then there IS hope of saving his sanity! :D

I explained to him about "Harold Whiner"

OMG, that's who's under hood in Forever Evil #1! :shock:


IvC mentioned that on another thread. I think it's cool that the Crime Syndicate is more afraid of me than the DCnU heroes. 8)

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RE: 5.2 Reasons Not to Fire Dan Didio

Postby Steve McCredie » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:39 pm

"relatively small readership" would mean everyone who enjoyed DC before The New 52 and doesn't now. I'd be interested to know how well ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN and BATMAN BLACK AND WHITE are selling, since they're the stubborn relics at the moment. Actually they're too new to be relics. Make that "reluctant corporate concessions to the grumpy old readership that includes me".
But at any rate, I'll never bother with Alfoil Superman, Danny Boy. Whoever. Just so we're clear.

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Re: 5.2 Reasons Not to Fire Dan Didio

Postby Arion » Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:30 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:
:lol:

For some reason, I imagined LS dressed up like Darkseid.


Stoney face is back.

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RE: 5.2 Reasons Not to Fire Dan Didio

Postby Staxth Kai Burberry » Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:19 am

Dear Outhouse, in case you do not know in August '13 DC sold LESS units and grossed LESS dollars(despite the all the promo price hike) than August '11, right before the reboot. So NO, the New 52 is NOT a success!

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Re: 5.2 Reasons Not to Fire Dan Didio

Postby Chessack » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:40 am

Wow, that is a pretty interesting statistic.

And in a small way, perhaps slightly restores my faith in the comic-reading public. Maybe more of us have good taste than I thought.

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Re: RE: 5.2 Reasons Not to Fire Dan Didio

Postby SporkBot » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:14 am

FBtron wrote:Dear Outhouse, in case you do not know in August '13 DC sold LESS units and grossed LESS dollars(despite the all the promo price hike) than August '11, right before the reboot. So NO, the New 52 is NOT a success!


Not in the long term, it seems. #1 issues sell well because of the illusion of a fresher start over just starting a new arc and maintaining the numbering (excluding titles that get cancelled for years before reviving). DC figured they could kill multiple birds (boost sales, get younger readers, indulge their fan-fiction-style desires) with a single stone (reboot). Looks like the wind shifted and sent that stone right back in their faces.

Question is...how will they learn from this, if at all?

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Re: RE: 5.2 Reasons Not to Fire Dan Didio

Postby Draco x » Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:16 am

SporkBot wrote:
Not in the long term, it seems. #1 issues sell well because of the illusion of a fresher start over just starting a new arc and maintaining the numbering (excluding titles that get cancelled for years before reviving). DC figured they could kill multiple birds (boost sales, get younger readers, indulge their fan-fiction-style desires) with a single stone (reboot). Looks like the wind shifted and sent that stone right back in their faces.

Question is...how will they learn from this, if at all?


DC and the concept of learning are an oxymoron, bro. If they hired screw-ups like Didio and Harras, I doubt they will get it anytime soon.

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Re: RE: 5.2 Reasons Not to Fire Dan Didio

Postby Chessack » Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:42 am

SporkBot wrote:Not in the long term, it seems. #1 issues sell well because of the illusion of a fresher start over just starting a new arc and maintaining the numbering (excluding titles that get cancelled for years before reviving). DC figured they could kill multiple birds (boost sales, get younger readers, indulge their fan-fiction-style desires) with a single stone (reboot). Looks like the wind shifted and sent that stone right back in their faces.


This is the thing about gimmicks. A gimmick sells more in the short term, but only in the short term. If the stories and art are not good enough, the people who bought issue 1-2 don't stick. And on top of the ones who don't stick, the gimmick turns off an unquantifiable number of people who would have stayed with the series if not for all the gimmicks. Anecdotal example: All the gimmicks this year (Throne, Trinity War, etc) with JL turned me off that series. I would have stayed with it a while longer, probably, because the stuff in between the gimmicks hasn't been bad, but I dropped JL because TW was just one gimmick too many. (And of course, partly because I knew that with VM and Forever Evil, there were only more gimmicks coming down the pike.)

Similarly with a lot of the family-wide crossovers, if you look at sales, the books are doing X sales before the crossover, and jump up to X + Y sales during. But as soon as the crossover is done, they don't drop back to X, but they drop further (to X - Z). Which means that although there is a boost for a couple of months during the crossover, in the long run, there is a cumulative loss of readership that builds up, bit by bit, as readers get fed up with the gimmicks that are doing nothing to help the quality of the book.

The numbers therefore suggest that gimmicks bring them in the door, but only quality keeps people on board.

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Re: RE: 5.2 Reasons Not to Fire Dan Didio

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:13 am

FBtron wrote:Dear Outhouse, in case you do not know in August '13 DC sold LESS units and grossed LESS dollars(despite the all the promo price hike) than August '11, right before the reboot. So NO, the New 52 is NOT a success!


We actually talked about that in the Outhouse newsroom but, to the best of our knowledge, those stats only include the top 100 comics, not all comics, so we were not able to confirm whether August was the tipping point. Plus, there is sure to be a boost for these 3D covers this month.

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Re: RE: 5.2 Reasons Not to Fire Dan Didio

Postby BlueStreak » Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:59 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
We actually talked about that in the Outhouse newsroom but, to the best of our knowledge, those stats only include the top 100 comics, not all comics, so we were not able to confirm whether August was the tipping point. Plus, there is sure to be a boost for these 3D covers this month.


Also, DC's top-selling comic in August 2011 was Justice League #1, a New 52 title. Taking those sales out puts August 2013 numbers ahead.

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Re: RE: 5.2 Reasons Not to Fire Dan Didio

Postby Arion » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:02 pm

SporkBot wrote:
Not in the long term, it seems. #1 issues sell well because of the illusion of a fresher start over just starting a new arc and maintaining the numbering (excluding titles that get cancelled for years before reviving). DC figured they could kill multiple birds (boost sales, get younger readers, indulge their fan-fiction-style desires) with a single stone (reboot). Looks like the wind shifted and sent that stone right back in their faces.

Question is...how will they learn from this, if at all?


Seems to me they are slow learners...

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