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Re: Marvel Announces New Ms. Marvel Series Starring Muslim-A

Postby outsider » Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:19 pm

Jack Burton wrote:Marvel's promotion of her is PC Bullshit but that doesn't mean the character or her creation were done with an agenda in mind.
Yup. Even the New Warriors back in the day was Marvel trying to PC it up.
(Like a rich inner city black kid is going to hang with trailer trash or hillbillies...)
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Re: Marvel Announces New Ms. Marvel Series Starring Muslim-A

Postby Flynn the Pirate » Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:19 pm

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I agree. I don't see the issue here.

Marvel's promotion of her is PC Bullshit but that doesn't mean the character or her creation were done with an agenda in mind.


But again, if a major point of the story is the character's attempt to be a teenager, a superhero, and a Muslim, why is it a bad thing to put that fact front and center?

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Re: Marvel Announces New Ms. Marvel Series Starring Muslim-A

Postby Jack Burton » Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:19 pm

outsider wrote:LOL, this poor Muslim girl is idolizing a WASP Barbie doll alcoholic that was raped by her own child (or something like that).


I forget Carol is almost Daredevil level of bad luck sometimes.

I didn't read Ms. Marvel or Captain Marvel but does anybody brings up the Marcus thing? Or even the Alcoholism?

I can't remember the last time she was referenced to having a drinking problem. Maybe 1 alcoholic on the Avengers is enough?

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Re: Marvel Announces New Ms. Marvel Series Starring Muslim-A

Postby Supersoldier Washout » Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:20 pm

I don't know if I would use the term "PC" to describe the synopsis of the book as "political correct" more describes to words or actions to appease a group of "minorities".

But yes, they're totally selling it as a teenage, female Muslim character. This I have no problem with as long as it's well written and not preachy. It's a great topic to be explored and I would love to see this character's reactions and interpretations of other characters in the Marvel Universe; especially the mutant characters.

I have no clue what percent of the comic book collecting community practices Islam but it can't be that much to support a title on its own. So the book is going to have to have a broader appeal.

If there is one drawback I may have, it would be my dislike of Carol Danvers. But she is a popular character and an Avenger, so it makes since having a young character look up to her. I'll check it out.

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Re: Marvel Announces New Ms. Marvel Series Starring Muslim-A

Postby Victorian Squid » Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:21 pm

I distrust WASPs who convert to stuff in college, personally, they are usually a real drag to talk to.

I didn't appreciate Air at all (hated it), and I only skimmed Cairo. Her writing is not for me.

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Re: Marvel Announces New Ms. Marvel Series Starring Muslim-A

Postby outsider » Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:25 pm

Victorian Squid wrote:I distrust WASPs who convert to stuff in college, personally, they are usually a real drag to talk to.

I didn't appreciate Air at all (hated it), and I only skimmed Cairo. Her writing is not for me.
IIRC, you don't like Kelly Sue DeConnick, either.
I bet you hate Gail Simone's work, too.

Ergo, you are a Punchy-level misogynist.
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Re: Marvel Announces New Ms. Marvel Series Starring Muslim-A

Postby Victorian Squid » Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:32 pm

outsider wrote:IIRC, you don't like Kelly Sue DeConnick, either.
I bet you hate Gail Simone's work, too.

Ergo, you are a Punchy-level misogynist.


Not true, I like your wife just fine.

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Postby Punchy » Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:35 pm

outsider wrote:IIRC, you don't like Kelly Sue DeConnick, either.
I bet you hate Gail Simone's work, too.

Ergo, you are a Punchy-level misogynist.


I like DeConnick!

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I like DeConnick!

as an official Marvel shill, you're contractually required to, so no surprise there.
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Postby Victorian Squid » Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:37 pm

Her Ms Marvel book looked too ugly to even attempt to read.

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Postby Punchy » Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:39 pm

chap22 wrote:as an official Marvel shill, you're contractually required to, so no surprise there.


I liked her 3 or 4 issues of Supergirl too! Pretty Deadly was OK.

Anyways, just saw that ADRIAN ALPHONA is drawing this, which changes everything, I am in.

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Re: Marvel Announces New Ms. Marvel Series Starring Muslim-A

Postby Frag » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:00 pm

The editor who pitched it is also Muslim. Good for them for trying something new.

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Re: Marvel Announces New Ms. Marvel Series Starring Muslim-A

Postby Amoebas » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:02 pm

IvCNuB4 wrote:
First thing I thought of

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Although the porcupine with Hulk-fists looks amusing :lol:

And the first thing I thought of was...
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Postby misac » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:21 pm

IvCNuB4 wrote:
First thing I thought of

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Although the porcupine with Hulk-fists looks amusing :lol:


When you put it like that it’s not so bad. The sketch made me think of the guy in the Galaxy Trio. I always thought he looked goofy when he made his hands big. :D
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Re: Marvel Announces New Ms. Marvel Series Starring Muslim-A

Postby Arion » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:47 pm

This new Ms America caught me by surprise...

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