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Is this really harassment though?

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"You are Sugar" = harassment?

Well, you might as well have raped her.
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CountD
It's demeaning you dope.
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Pink_Orchid
Well, it's not exactly appropriate, but I wouldn't call the cops on you.
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jeremy, john lewis hawk, oogy, pastajoe, Stephen Day, TheLurker
I don't see what the big deal is, she is just over sensitive.
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avengingtitan, MistaT, outsider, Spektre, thefourthman
Who the fuck cares and why did you waste my time with this thread?
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Is this really harassment though?

Postby thefourthman » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:51 pm

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/11/12/244792434/women-fare-worse-in-egypt-than-any-arab-state-survey

So there was this story on NPR on the way home this afternoon. In the radio version of the story, they talked to this woman journalist who decided to get the male's perspective of it. She recorded conversations between herself and Egyptian men out in the streets.

The recording they played had the male saying "You are Sugar." Which she deemed demeaning and not okay. The guy naturally just said he meant she looked good and was flirting.

I am sure there are more egregious examples of harassment going on in the streets of Egypt. Especially given that the report then went and talked to a guy who was during a series of interviews with men, some of whom admitted wanting the women to feel uncomfortable and get back off the streets and into their houses where they belong.

But, "You Are Sugar" is harassment? Really, maybe because I grew up in the South and we call people "Sugar" and "Baby" and go "um huh" all implyingly or hell just saying "Damn, you look good."

I think women are beautiful and I don't really understand how telling them they look good is harassment. Is this harassment? Am I as the report stated being "unempathetic" by not understanding how appreciating beauty is a good thing?
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Re: Is this really harassment though?

Postby Stephen Day » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:54 pm

Forthy, I'm not going to call you Sugar. I've told you before, you're not my type.
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Re: Is this really harassment though?

Postby habitual » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:54 pm

I'd add a "who cares" option to this poll. That's where this falls for me.

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Re: Is this really harassment though?

Postby thefourthman » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:57 pm

habitual wrote:I'd add a "who cares" option to this poll. That's where this falls for me.

Nice to see you fourthy.

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Done.


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Re: Is this really harassment though?

Postby Stephen Day » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:02 pm

thefourthman wrote:Done.


Also, get away from my window! :lol:


Uhmmmmm...

...well...

...that wasn't Hab at your window. :oops:
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Re: Is this really harassment though?

Postby LobsterJ » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:20 pm

Unsolicited comments on a persons appearance is harassment.

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Re: Is this really harassment though?

Postby habitual » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:21 pm

LobsterJ wrote:Unsolicited comments on a persons appearance is harassment.


It appears she was initiating the conversations. I wouldn't consider it harassment in that context.

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Re: Is this really harassment though?

Postby Strict31 » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:20 am

Bitches call me "sugar" and "honey" all the damn time where I work. I hear "sweetheart" and "babe" when they address me, and it basically makes me feel like they want me to pt my penis into their vaginas. I resist because some of them are fatties.

But, I dunno...if the intent behind the words is to harass, then it seems clear that's what it is. Which some of the men admitted it was.

But if it's just to compliment, well, it might be crass or crude, and maybe even unwanted, but Jesus-Fuck, we sure do find a lot of shit to get offended by these days. Myself included. I can't tell you how annoyed I get when some bitch grabs my meat-sword and attempts to sheathe it in her lady-business. It's as if they think I'm some sort of sex object.

A battery-powered one, no less. Bitch, I got a damn power cord.

There are some women who use it merely as a term of endearment because I'm nice and respectful to them and do not openly speak of humping them in the mouth. It means nothing more to me than that. But at the same time, we cannot pretend that these sorts of things are the same for men and women. My perspective on being called "honey" by a woman is likely different from a woman's perspective of being called "honey" by a man.
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Re: Is this really harassment though?

Postby thefourthman » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:42 am

habitual wrote:
It appears she was initiating the conversations. I wouldn't consider it harassment in that context.

Hab

no, it was unsolicited. She confronted the man who made the remark on the street.

honestly, that's a silly argument though, so going to a bar and trying to pick up a girl is harassment? That mentality will lead to the end of our species.

if he made the comment and continued to make comments after being told she didn't appreciate it... That would be harassment.

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Re: Is this really harassment though?

Postby The Old Doctor » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:58 pm

It's a matter of context.

In general, it's harassment unless she likes it or accepts it as a compliment and such a line is as you pointed out, common for some societies. Therefore - It's a matter of context.
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Re: Is this really harassment though?

Postby guitargod694 » Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:17 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:It's a matter of context.

In general, it's harassment unless she likes it or accepts it as a compliment and such a line is as you pointed out, common for some societies. Therefore - It's a matter of context.


Correct.
When you tell a girl you are attracted to her, it is a compliment if she finds you attractive.
It is harassment if she does not.
Simple as that.

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Re: Is this really harassment though?

Postby The Old Doctor » Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:20 pm

guitargod694 wrote:
Correct.
When you tell a girl you are attracted to her, it is a compliment if she finds you attractive.
It is harassment if she does not.
Simple as that.

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Re: Is this really harassment though?

Postby Arion » Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:54 pm

Stephen Day wrote:Forthy, I'm not going to call you Sugar. I've told you before, you're not my type.


I want someone to call me sugar.

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Re: Is this really harassment though?

Postby thefourthman » Wed Nov 13, 2013 2:32 pm

Arion wrote:
I want someone to call me sugar.

Careful, he'll stalk you and peer in your window and then claim you "aren't his type"

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Re: Is this really harassment though?

Postby Stephen Day » Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:25 pm

Arion wrote:
I want someone to call me sugar.


I'm not calling anyone sugar. I already told Forthy that. :smt011












































































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