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Log-Man wrote:For those not reading, can you give brief examples?
Log-Man wrote:The Flash has always been potentially god-awful powerful. Part of the reason Wally West was made a goof was so he didn't get too serious and try to discover how lethal and destructive he could really be. (see also Iceman) There were little moments revealed in the books and the JL cartoons of what he could achieve, but it usually scared him. Remember when Lex jumped into his head and trashed everyone? If you have an evil, smart Flash level speedster, then yeah, you really don't need anyone else.
ElijahSnowFan wrote:There might be nothing worse than Geoff Johns' usage of a Firestorm-like character for evil, because that character can do damn near anything, including rewiring New 52 Captain Cold's DNA so he no longer has internalized powers, which conveniently means he gets to run around with a cold gun because that's how Johns likes him.
The Beast wrote:Isn't Flash still imprisoned in the Firestorm matrix?
I had no interest in reading Forever Evil until a few months ago I read a review of one of the issues that included this little tidbit...now I can't wait for the trade.
And see, that's what frustrates me greatly about how Johns and some others use supervillains. It's so totally out of balance, you can't help but read stories from DC and just go WHAT THE HELL.
For instance: Take Black Adam.
I watched Black Adam tear-ass the entire world in "World War III." OK. And 99 times out of 100, when Geoff Johns writes him, Black Adam is kicking somebody's ass. Usually a pretty severe ass-kicking, I might add.
But what happens when Johns has Black Adam go up against Villain Flavor of the Month Ultraman? Well, see, now Black Adam gets to know what it feels like to get nerfed, including getting a One-Handed Face Crush and dropped into the freaking ocean to die, while Ultraman flies off laughing. Black Adam's jaw's still freaking broken, so clearly, those same deities who allowed him to beat the hell out of Martian Manhunter aren't giving him any healing assistance
Another example: Deathstorm.
There might be nothing worse than Geoff Johns' usage of a Firestorm-like character for evil, because that character can do damn near anything, including rewiring New 52 Captain Cold's DNA so he no longer has internalized powers, which conveniently means he gets to run around with a cold gun because that's how Johns likes him. He also did the neat trick of separating Jason Rusch and Ronnie Raymond, just because fuck you, that's why
Again, that would come in handy if the real Firestorm could, oh, I don't know...call me crazy...let me see here...STRIP SUPERVILLAINS OF THEIR POWERS WITH A QUICK HANDWAVE.
When you read "Forever Evil," that's what stands out most -- I touched on it a few months back. It's not enough for their to be more villains than superheroes, simply based on how comics work.
With DC under Johns, the villains also know more about their powers than the heroes do about theirs, use those powers more effectively and, as always, the heroes -- except for Batman -- usually have no damn clue what's going on, at all, until somebody's blowing shit up or punching them in the face
ElijahSnowFan wrote:It's OK -- I'm reading it, so I'm certainly not going to judge anyone else for doing so.
HNutz wrote:If Firestorm did that... it wouldn't be "cruel and unusual punishment" or anything. It would be a nice alternative to having prisons full of superpowered criminals.
Let's not forget that Firestorm simply may not know how to do all of the things that Deathstorm can because Firestorm doesn't go around experimenting on people while Deathstorm probably does.
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