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Stephen Day

Wrasslin' Fan

Postby Stephen Day » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:47 pm

Punchy wrote:
I dunno, I think there's plenty of variety when it comes to in-ring styles in WWE.

What NXT does best is allow people time to develop characters and gimmicks. Bray Wyatt initially debuted as the boring 'Husky Harris' in the WWE, but he went back down to NXT and was allowed to create a character that has become hugely popular.

I have no doubt that El Generico could have been dropped straight into Raw and do well in the ring, but being in NXT let him take his mask off and learn how to do promos properly rather than speak pidgin spanish in an environment that's less pressured than 15,000 baying fans.

WWE is about more than just in-ring style, it's about character, and that's what NXT is for.


There's way more of a variety of styles when I watch New Japan though. I think Syxx is right in this case. The Fed does promote a framework that can work for some people. The problem is that it doesn't work for others, and I've found, for my part, that it really doesn't work that well for me as a viewer.
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Punchy

Staff Writer

Postby Punchy » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:51 pm

Stephen Day wrote:
There's way more of a variety of styles when I watch New Japan though. I think Syxx is right in this case. The Fed does promote a framework that can work for some people. The problem is that it doesn't work for others, and I've found, for my part, that it really doesn't work that well for me as a viewer.


Yeah, it's different strokes for different folks in the end.

But as Syxx says, they do break from that framework at a fairly regular clip.
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S.F. Jude Terror

OMCTO

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:51 pm

Stephen Day wrote:
There's way more of a variety of styles when I watch New Japan though. I think Syxx is right in this case. The Fed does promote a framework that can work for some people. The problem is that it doesn't work for others, and I've found, for my part, that it really doesn't work that well for me as a viewer.


That's the biggest problem. Once you've seen the WWE framework match 10,000,000 times, it becomes pretty fucking boring and predictable. There's almost no reason to watch the matches, just watch the promos and fast forward to the finish.
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syxxpakk

Wrasslin' Fan

Postby syxxpakk » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:54 pm

Punchy wrote:
Yeah, it's different strokes for different folks in the end.

But as Syxx says, they do break from that framework at a fairly regular clip.


No they don't, it's actually quite rare when they do. At best it's 5-10 times a year.

EDIT: And I'll add the caveat that it usually involves Triple H and the Undertaker, because they get to do whatever they want.
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syxxpakk

Wrasslin' Fan

Postby syxxpakk » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:59 pm

And that's not to say the framework is bad or that you can't have enjoyable matches within it, because you can. Dolph Ziggler and Bryan Danielson are the two best at working it, I'd argue. Cesaro, FWIW, it good at it - but it speaks volumes (to me) that his most critically acclaimed match ever wasn't really the normal WWE-style match. But that also doesn't mean Cesaro is a poor worker. I think he's easily top 10 in the world right now.

I guess the point is, there is definitely a WWE style of match. Some people benefit from it, some don't. Mistico, who I think in 2006 was literally the top draw in the world or close to it, didn't. But the fact that he didn't shouldn't have held him back. They should use that style of match for guys who need that style, and for those who don't - your Danielsons and Cesaros and Misticos - just let 'em cut loose. Mistico SHOULD have draw big money for WWE. The fact that he didn't, to me, will always be their fault - not his.
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syxxpakk

Wrasslin' Fan

Postby syxxpakk » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:01 pm

Another guy that the framework immensely benefits is Goldust. He was always a solid worker, but he's brilliant within the confines of the WWE framework.
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Stephen Day

Wrasslin' Fan

Postby Stephen Day » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:08 pm

Punchy wrote:
Yeah, it's different strokes for different folks in the end.

But as Syxx says, they do break from that framework at a fairly regular clip.


I'm fully willing to leave it at that, I have no problem with people enjoying the Fed's current product. It's just no longer for me. :)
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GHERU

Rain Partier

Postby GHERU » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:25 pm

Lord Simian wrote:Well, maybe if it was anyone else, but since it's not... fuck Joey Ryan! :twisted:

I liked Joey Ryan
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Stephen Day

Wrasslin' Fan

Postby Stephen Day » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:38 pm

GHERU wrote:I liked Joey Ryan


I remember him when he was in ROH. I can't say there was ever a match he was in that I disliked when he was there.
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Lord Simian

The Lord of the Monkeys

Postby Lord Simian » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:39 pm

GHERU wrote:I liked Joey Ryan
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syxxpakk

Wrasslin' Fan

Postby syxxpakk » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:41 pm

Joey's pretty great, Simian's issues aside (and TBF - most wrestlers are horrible human beings, Steve Austin beat his wife recall?). I'm legit surprised he didn't get picked for developmental. Great personality and charisma.
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Stephen Day

Wrasslin' Fan

Postby Stephen Day » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:45 pm

syxxpakk wrote:Joey's pretty great, Simian's issues aside (and TBF - most wrestlers are horrible human beings, Steve Austin beat his wife recall?). I'm legit surprised he didn't get picked for developmental. Great personality and charisma.


Yeah, he's one of those guys that I've thought for awhile should be further along in his career than he is.
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Punchy

Staff Writer

Postby Punchy » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:03 pm

HULK HOGAN'S RETURN TO WWE IS CONFIRMED!

COMMENCE YOUR MARKING-OUTS BROTHER!
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fieldy snuts

Rain Partier

Postby fieldy snuts » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:12 pm

Punchy wrote:HULK HOGAN'S RETURN TO WWE IS CONFIRMED!

COMMENCE YOUR MARKING-OUTS BROTHER!


Last time they name dropped him he got booed. Badly.

I hope Chicago boo's him out of the building :lol:
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Punchy

Staff Writer

Postby Punchy » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:13 pm

fieldy snuts wrote:
Last time they name dropped him he got booed. Badly.

I hope Chicago boo's him out of the building :lol:


Nah man, every smark who writes shit about Hogan online will freak the fuck out when he's actually live in front of them.

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