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Postby Punchy » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:12 pm

House of J wrote:Punchy is trying to trick you into going off-topic.


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Postby thefourthman » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:12 pm

Punchy wrote:I'm sorry, but this review is bullshit, so it's not the best thing ever, and you give the story a 3/10? You say it's as good as all the other good team books, and it's only a 3/10? Does not compute. Most books are not awe-inspiring, to fault a book for not reinventing the wheel is a flawed expectation.

I think you are biased against Millar and also Marvel as a whole, you gave Doom Patrol a 4/10 for story! You gave Blackest Night a 9.5/10 for story! Was the gulf between that book and this so large?

Dude, none of the team books are great right now, with the exception of Dark Avengers... Doom Patrol had a bad story, but at least it had a story. There was nothing here, nothing man. No character development, no connection to past events... just Cap and Hawkeye being badasses and it was awesome, but there is no story at all.

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Postby Punchy » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:15 pm

thefourthman wrote:Dude, none of the team books are great right now, with the exception of Dark Avengers... Doom Patrol had a bad story, but at least it had a story. There was nothing here, nothing man. No character development, no connection to past events... just Cap and Hawkeye being badasses and it was awesome, but there is no story at all.


There are plenty of good team-books, New Avengers, The Initiative, Thunderbolts, Secret Warriors, Agents Of Atlas, Uncanny X-men, Green Lantern Corps.

I doubt the story was a 3/10. And you shouldn't just judge a comic on what happens, you may as well just read the spoilers on wikipedia then, if the fight-scene was awesome... then the book is awesome too.

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Postby Victorian Squid » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:15 pm

thefourthman wrote:Dude, none of the team books are great right now, with the exception of Dark Avengers... Doom Patrol had a bad story, but at least it had a story. There was nothing here, nothing man. No character development, no connection to past events... just Cap and Hawkeye being badasses and it was awesome, but there is no story at all.


I was shocked when people started giving this book 9.5s and 10s. I would score almost any issue of Ultimates 1 or 2 at 7.5-10, there's no way this could get as high a score from me as that.

I'm a little relieved you and Chris read the same book I did.

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Postby Victorian Squid » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:16 pm

Punchy wrote:There are plenty of good team-books, New Avengers, The Initiative, Thunderbolts, Secret Warriors, Agents Of Atlas, Uncanny X-men, Green Lantern Corps.

I doubt the story was a 3/10. And you shouldn't just judge a comic on what happens, you may as well just read the spoilers on wikipedia then, if the fight-scene was awesome... then the book is awesome too.


I think by "awesome" he meant "okay".

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Postby Chris » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:16 pm

Punchy wrote:I doubt the story was a 3/10.


In your opinion.

And you shouldn't just judge a comic on what happens, you may as well just read the spoilers on wikipedia then, if the fight-scene was awesome... then the book is awesome too.


This is the stupidest thing I've seen you post in at least the past two days. :lol:
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Postby Punchy » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:18 pm

Chris wrote:This is the stupidest thing I've seen you post in at least the past two days. :lol:


Why? There are plenty of comics which are nothing but fights, yet they are great, one of Fourthman's favourites, Planetary, #23 was pretty much just action, but it was amazing. Miracleman #15 was just an action scene. Or pretty much all shonen fight manga.

A comic is more than just plot, it is a synthesis of words and pictures, and a well-choreographed fight scene can be a thing of beauty. If you're only reading for the plot, then why bother with the comic, you can save money and keep up online.
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Postby thefourthman » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:19 pm

Old Man wrote:Another of those damned if ya do, damned if ya don't deals. Order 20, then eat 16 of them. Order 3, then have people bitch because it isn't available.

That's why I always tell my LCS if I am adding a title or wanting to try one issue of a new series.

that's not the deal at all, I could sell the damn things, Chew #3 was my location's third best seller last week. It is hanging with the big boys. Some times, the owner and I disagree on what to do with hot books.

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Postby Victorian Squid » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:20 pm

Punchy wrote:Why? There are plenty of comics which are nothing but fights, yet they are great, one of Fourthman's favourites, Planetary, #23 was pretty much just action, but it was amazing. Miracleman #15 was just an action scene.


Why don't you just go ahead and post your review so we can spend the weekend savaging it?

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Postby Victorian Squid » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:21 pm

thefourthman wrote:that's not the deal at all, I could sell the damn things, Chew #3 was my location's third best seller last week. It is hanging with the big boys. Some times, the owner and I disagree on what to do with hot books.


Should I go buy the #2s left over or something?

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Postby Punchy » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:21 pm

House of J wrote:Why don't you just go ahead and post your review so we can spend the weekend savaging it?


I haven't got my books yet, spent today moving furniture out of old people's homes.

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Postby Victorian Squid » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:22 pm

Punchy wrote:I haven't got my books yet, spent today moving furniture out of old people's homes.


That's a very heartless form of thievery.

I hope the bobbies catch you.

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Postby Punchy » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:23 pm

House of J wrote:That's a very heartless form of thievery.


My Grandad was changing homes! I wasn't nicking stuff.

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Postby Chris » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:23 pm

Punchy wrote:Why? There are plenty of comics which are nothing but fights, yet they are great, one of Fourthman's favourites, Planetary, #23 was pretty much just action, but it was amazing. Miracleman #15 was just an action scene. Or pretty much all shonen fight manga.

A comic is more than just plot, it is a synthesis of words and pictures, and a well-choreographed fight scene can be a thing of beauty. If you're only reading for the plot, then why bother with the comic, you can save money and keep up online.


The fact that you're comparing Cap and Hawkeye spending an entire issue fighting a bunch of retarded AIM lackeys to Planetary #23 or Miracleman #15 is enough to prove my point. :lol:
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Postby Victorian Squid » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:26 pm

Chris wrote:The fact that you're comparing Cap and Hawkeye spending an entire issue fighting a bunch of retarded AIM lackeys to Planetary #23 or Miracleman #15 is enough to prove my point. :lol:


If I am to understand correctly, he hasn't even read the book!

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