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Postby thefourthman » Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:48 am

Punchy wrote:It was because it reduced the Spirit to a superhero, It seemed that Cooke used the supervillains more in 12 issues than Eisner did in 30 years. He didn't distill anything to it's essence, just presented something in a form more palatable to superhero nerds.

He wasn't a super hero at all? He was a vigilante sure. He revealed no powers. A 1/4 of the issues were about his relationships. There was the fourth wall breaking. Seriously, what book did you read? The Octopus never showed up ONCE in Cooke's run. I seriously think you read a different book or are confusing it with Sergio's run dude. Because you keep describing a completely different Book.

Cooke's run had Noir stories, spy stories, romance stories, heist stories. It was anything other than a one note hero takes down a villian book.

You are also showing your bias against some preconceived notion of what Batman is.

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Postby Old Man » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:33 pm

Punchy wrote:No need to play the race card!


"British" is not a race. It's a medical condition.
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Postby thefourthman » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:34 pm

Old Man wrote:"British" is not a race. It's a medical condition.

I thought it was a virus like H1N1. I wish they would get a vaccine already. This is a worse problem than the AIDS.

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Postby Old Man » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:34 pm

Cooke's Spirit is far better than the Aragones and Evanier Spirit. If Cooke was still doing it, it would not have been cancelled.
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Postby thefourthman » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:36 pm

Old Man wrote:Cooke's Spirit is far better than the Aragones and Evanier Spirit. If Cooke was still doing it, it would not have been cancelled.

I thought it was getting a relaunch with the doc savage and black hawks stuff. I miss The Shadow. :(

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Postby doombug » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:41 pm

Punchy wrote:Aragones and Evanier's run was better than Cooke's writing-wise.

I know The Spirit is not set in stone, but still, Cooke's run wasn't especially interesting enough to merit such a different, superheroey tone. Especially when so many readers were claiming it was faithful to Eisner.


you sir are insane! :lol: The spirit isn't a superhero though by the way, he's a pulp character that fits into detective stories.

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Postby doombug » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:42 pm

Punchy wrote:No, you're wrong, and It seems to me you didn't read the run that closely.


i'm not sure you understand the spirit as a character or his world. :?

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Postby thefourthman » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:45 pm

doombug wrote:i'm not sure you understand the spirit as a character or his world. :?

I'm not sure he knows who Will Eisner, Mark Evanier, Sergio Aragones, or Darwyn Cooke is.

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Postby doombug » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:47 pm

I'm confused what Punchy was reading myself. I read pulpy noir stories under Cooke. With Silk and the reporter being the two major flames for Colt. Of course his longtime girlfriend, the chief and a certain cab driver were around as well.

the only time we even got close to the super villian stuff was those last 2 issues where a certain person was out to kill Denny and end his career.

I mostly remember spy stories, a chase through the sewer and a few whodunnits. Othr then that...no super hero stuff. :wink:
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Postby doombug » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:49 pm

thefourthman wrote:I'm not sure he knows who Will Eisner, Mark Evanier, Sergio Aragones, or Darwyn Cooke is.


Obviously not, I read the entire run before it was cancelled (it is getting relaunched but sadly nothing can top what Darwyn did) and it's definitely not Sergio's best work.

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Postby Punchy » Sat Dec 05, 2009 2:56 pm

thefourthman wrote:He wasn't a super hero at all? He was a vigilante sure. He revealed no powers. A 1/4 of the issues were about his relationships. There was the fourth wall breaking. Seriously, what book did you read? The Octopus never showed up ONCE in Cooke's run. I seriously think you read a different book or are confusing it with Sergio's run dude. Because you keep describing a completely different Book.

Cooke's run had Noir stories, spy stories, romance stories, heist stories. It was anything other than a one note hero takes down a villian book.

You are also showing your bias against some preconceived notion of what Batman is.


The Octopus was in at leas 3 issues of Cooke's.

And how many times did he use that Vulture dude?

doombug wrote:you sir are insane! :lol: The spirit isn't a superhero though by the way, he's a pulp character that fits into detective stories.


That's exactly what I'm saying, Cooke got it wrong.

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Postby thefourthman » Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:03 pm

[quote="Punchy"][/quote]
The Octopus is mentioned in the first Silk issue but I don't remember him being in any of the others, at all. Sergio used him extensively.

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Postby Punchy » Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:04 pm

thefourthman wrote:The Octopus is mentioned in the first Silk issue but I don't remember him being in any of the others, at all. Sergio used him extensively.


Your memories are wrong.

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Postby thefourthman » Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:05 pm

Punchy wrote:Your memories are wrong.

It could be possible that you read the books backwards too. :roll:

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Postby doombug » Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:16 pm

In Cooke's run we saw the Octopus twice, the first was in the spirit/batman crossover. the second time he was almost like a ghost that denny colt was trying to chase down and we see him from behind.

This is a personal favorite comic run of mine Punchy, I know things. 8)
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