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Review Group Week 211 - X-MEN FOREVER #18

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S.F. Jude Terror

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:53 pm

Oh Fourthman... I have a favor to ask you...
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Tintin Quarantino

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Postby Tintin Quarantino » Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:43 pm

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Tintin Quarantino

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Postby Tintin Quarantino » Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:45 pm

john lewis hawk wrote:Should we have a contest to see whose review pisses Jude off the most?


I plan to contrast Cyclops' bond with his son as shown here to Jude's future dysfunctional relationship with Hawkeye Holden.
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Tintin Quarantino

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Postby Tintin Quarantino » Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:00 pm

Dang, good week this week. Irredeemable, Victorian Undead, Cap't Swinger's something-something, Cowboy Ninja Viking, Weird World of Jack Staff...
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thefourthman

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Postby thefourthman » Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:22 pm

Jude Terror wrote:Oh Fourthman... I have a favor to ask you...

not us on Marvel books dude, you need to talk to Midtown, Mile High, New England, and Lone Star. They account for like 50% of all comics sold worldwide.

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Postby ****** » Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:42 pm

X-Men Forever #18

My eyes have just been raped by the 90s and I think Claremont and Grummett did it on purpose.

The biggest problem I have with X-Men Forever is that I don't know Chris Claremont's work well enough to know whether or not he's being ironic. The plot has no originality outside of a few continuity changes which, in this issue at least, seem arbitrary. The characters are flatter than the paper the comic is printed on (but it's the Summers family so it's actually pretty in character) and the dialog is so hammy that I'm having trouble differentiating between what lines are bad and what lines are so bad they're funny.

While I can't decide if Claremont's contribution to this is self deprecating genius or a viscous bout of senility, I've read enough comics with Tom Grummett art to know that the horrifying 90s design of the book is intentional. As a period piece, the art in X-Men Forever works. It's not pretty, not by a long shot, but it makes sense. Beyond the 90s goofiness, this felt horribly rushed. The inks look sloppy and haphazard and the coloring is all different kinds of wrong.

For a series that is so firmly entrenched in nostalgia-based comic book storytelling, why are modern coloring techniques being applied? Flatten that shit out and knock it off with the over rendered lighting effects. Color the book like it's 1991 for goodness sake. Claremont's writing it like it's 1991. Grummett's drawing it like it's 1991. Wouldn't it make a hell of a lot more sense for it to be colored that way as well?

X-Men Forever seems to be a book that is wholly dependent on how much nostalgia the reader brings into it. For the right reader, this could be a fun endeavor. For someone like me who comes into it without any connection to the original material, it's just a bad comic book.

Story: 4
Art: 2
Overall: 3
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S.F. Jude Terror

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:45 pm

amlah6 wrote:X-Men Forever #18

My eyes have just been raped by the 90s and I think Claremont and Grummett did it on purpose.

The biggest problem I have with X-Men Forever is that I don't know Chris Claremont's work well enough to know whether or not he's being ironic. The plot has no originality outside of a few continuity changes which, in this issue at least, seem arbitrary. The characters are flatter than the paper the comic is printed on (but it's the Summers family so it's actually pretty in character) and the dialog is so hammy that I'm having trouble differentiating between what lines are bad and what lines are so bad they're funny.

While I can't decide if Claremont's contribution to this is self deprecating genius or a viscous bout of senility, I've read enough comics with Tom Grummett art to know that the horrifying 90s design of the book is intentional. As a period piece, the art in X-Men Forever works. It's not pretty, not by a long shot, but it makes sense. Beyond the 90s goofiness, this felt horribly rushed. The inks look sloppy and haphazard and the coloring is all different kinds of wrong.

For a series that is so firmly entrenched in nostalgia-based comic book storytelling, why are modern coloring techniques being applied? Flatten that shit out and knock it off with the over rendered lighting effects. Color the book like it's 1991 for goodness sake. Claremont's writing it like it's 1991. Grummett's drawing it like it's 1991. Wouldn't it make a hell of a lot more sense for it to be colored that way as well?

X-Men Forever seems to be a book that is wholly dependent on how much nostalgia the reader brings into it. For the right reader, this could be a fun endeavor. For someone like me who comes into it without any connection to the original material, it's just a bad comic book.

Story: 4
Art: 2
Overall: 3


Fuck you, man.

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Postby ****** » Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:48 pm

Jude Terror wrote:Fuck you, man.


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thefourthman

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Postby thefourthman » Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:50 pm

Jude Terror wrote:Fuck you, man.

It's honest and thoughtful, you have to respect that even if you disagree. By the way, it is pretty much exactly how I feel about the book. I was just really clever in my delivery and had just got done reading a REALLY TRULY AWFUL comic as opposed to a just bad comic, so I was generous with my score.

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Postby ****** » Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:56 pm

thefourthman wrote:It's honest and thoughtful, you have to respect that even if you disagree. By the way, it is pretty much exactly how I feel about the book. I was just really clever in my delivery and had just got done reading a REALLY TRULY AWFUL comic as opposed to a just bad comic, so I was generous with my score.


If we're comparing books that we read beforehand, I also read Unwritten #4 on my lunch hour and it was freaking awesome.

Sorry I didn't like XMF, Jude. I wanted to like it because I like goofy stuff, I just didn't find it to be a good comic book.
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Punchy

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Postby Punchy » Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:57 pm

Jude, what's the point in me or Doombug doing a review when you'll insult Amlah for a pretty well-reasoned review?

We can't win here.
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thefourthman

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Postby thefourthman » Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:58 pm

amlah6 wrote:If we're comparing books that we read beforehand, I also read Unwritten #4 on my lunch hour and it was freaking awesome.

Sorry I didn't like XMF, Jude. I wanted to like it because I like goofy stuff, I just didn't find it to be a good comic book.

I had just read Supergirl 50 :evil:
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thefourthman

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Postby thefourthman » Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:59 pm

Punchy wrote:Jude, what's the point in me or Doombug doing a review when you'll insult Amlah for a pretty well-reasoned review?

We can't win here.

I honestly think he wants people to like it. Being pushy about it isn't gonna help though. I'm glad he likes it.
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Punchy

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Postby Punchy » Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:59 pm

thefourthman wrote:I honestly think he wants people to like it. Being pushy about it isn't gonna help though. I'm glad he likes it.


It's having the opposite effect if anything.

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Postby ****** » Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:00 pm

thefourthman wrote:I had just read Supergirl 50 :evil:


I've checked BF a couple of times today to see if your review was live yet. I need to see this reasoning on how you could give the Helen Slater story an 8. :P

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