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Punchy

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Postby Punchy » Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:09 pm

thefourthman wrote:I'm not a hypocrite, you are long winded sometimes. Not all the time... you have me confused with Yoni, first off.

Secondly, since when have you cared about anything I had to say?


Since you started trying to get me into trouble!
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thefourthman

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Postby thefourthman » Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:11 pm

Punchy wrote:Since you started trying to get me into trouble!

You do well enough at that on your own, every once in a while when I see you teetering on the edge of the swimming pool, I give you a push. Sorry, it makes me laugh. I blame it on me being a bully.
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Punchy

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Postby Punchy » Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:15 pm

thefourthman wrote:You do well enough at that on your own, every once in a while when I see you teetering on the edge of the swimming pool, I give you a push. Sorry, it makes me laugh. I blame it on me being a bully.


Bastardo
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guitarsmashley

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Postby guitarsmashley » Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:40 pm

Still don't know if I'll get this. I've already ordered the trade and just don't feel like reading the 3 previous issues off my computer.
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Old Man

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Postby Old Man » Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:52 pm

thefourthman wrote:FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WHY WAS THIS NOT THE PICK THIS WEEK!!!


Because it's from a publisher nobody has heard of.
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Old Man

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Postby Old Man » Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:53 pm

guitarsmashley wrote:how many fucking issues of Amazing Spiderman are we going to review before we just ban the book from appearing here?


Actually, I was thinking maybe I'd make it my pick in 2 weeks.
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Old Man

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Postby Old Man » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:08 pm

A complaint, a confession, and a whine.

Complaint: By the time I finish typing this, it will be Sunday, and so far, only 2 reviews. Where is everybody?

Confession: No review from me this week. I just don't have it in me. Details below.

Whine: I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. Actually, that last 'tired' is really 'sore'. My foot hurts. I did nothing to injure it. I was in my recliner watching a basketball game the other evening. I got up to use the bathroom, and my foot was aching. It's still sore, and causing me to walk funny, but for 2 days it hurt so bad I was thinking it might have to come off. I have a 3-foot-high stool, and I had to use it as a walker to get from my bed to the bathroom, from the bathroom to the kitchen, from the kitchen to the living room. And when I had to go out Friday to get to the bank, I hobbled around like an 80-year-old codger. I was leaning on anything and everything to keep pressure off my foot. As I said, it's better today, but still sore. And I woke up Friday with a fever and no appetite. I was 3 degrees above normal, I tried to eat, but ended up throwing half of it away because it just wasn't sitting right. Temperature is back to normal today, but I'm a little lightheaded right now. It's been a week.
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Postby Frag » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:46 am

Punchy wrote:You're almost as much of a hypocrite as Frag.


How am I a hypocrite? You were the hypocrite in that thread because you complained about the same thing that you did in starlord's thread.

My god punchy, you're so dense sometimes. :lol:
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thefourthman

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Postby thefourthman » Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:45 am

Jude Terror wrote:Here's the thing, on its most basic level.

If OMD is/was the beginning of a plot that will eventually be resolved, I'm cool with it. If it was a story with no other purpose than to undo Peter's marriage, it feels too much like a DC universe reboot to me and drives me crazy. I mean, I don't care one way or the other if Peter is married to MJ. I would just like them to, at some point in the future, address and resolve what, to me, was the beginning of a story. A spider-man story doesn't END with Peter making a deal with Mephisto. Something has to happen later. When I believe that something will happen, I'll jump back on board, maybe pick up some hardcovers.

There have been hints since the very beginning of Brand New Day to this day that OMD is a story that will resolve itself eventually. This is most evident every time MJ is in the book, because she remembers more than even Peter seems to know. It is a very long process and epic in that manner.

3MJ

Postby 3MJ » Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:47 am

Daddy Fragbucks wrote:How am I a hypocrite? You were the hypocrite in that thread because you complained about the same thing that you did in starlord's thread.

My god punchy, you're so dense sometimes. :lol:


Wait, you did the thing you complained about Punchy doing. How is that not being hypocritical.

3MJ

Postby 3MJ » Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:48 am

Jude Terror wrote:Here's the thing, on its most basic level.

If OMD is/was the beginning of a plot that will eventually be resolved, I'm cool with it. If it was a story with no other purpose than to undo Peter's marriage, it feels too much like a DC universe reboot to me and drives me crazy. I mean, I don't care one way or the other if Peter is married to MJ. I would just like them to, at some point in the future, address and resolve what, to me, was the beginning of a story. A spider-man story doesn't END with Peter making a deal with Mephisto. Something has to happen later. When I believe that something will happen, I'll jump back on board, maybe pick up some hardcovers.


Exactly how I feel.
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thefourthman

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Postby thefourthman » Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:49 am

So after rereading Irredeemable Vol. 1, for the second time, I still don't get it. I have actually read issue 1 three times now and still don't remember much of it.
Furthermore, upon reading Morrison's afterword, I am fully convinced there is another book called Irredeemable that the rest of the comics world is reading that is different from the one I keep reading. The one he describes sounds awesome. The one I keep reading is derivative, boring, and ultimately forgettable. Anyhow, he goes the first reading of volume 2.
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thefourthman

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Postby thefourthman » Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:55 am

So volume two was better until the end. It was cool to get real insight into what brought about Plutonian's breakdown, but two things really bugged me in the end of this volume.
1st, Charybdis's little Dues Ex Machina... :roll: . I still have my powers... bite me. If Tony is so omniscent because of his powers, why didn't he know that Cary was all superpowerful upon waking up, wouldn't he especially be paying attention to the heroes that he is trying to take out. Wouldn't all that uncontrolled energy make the hospital moniters freak out... it doesn't gell with the Tony that is presented earlier in the book... sure he is distracted, but he still had the wherewithall to figure out the baddies' plans, why not those he is closest to.
Then there is Samsara being the breaking point. It's a little weak, maybe if there had been more exploration of the relationship between Sam and Tony, I could buy it. But all we know about Sam in this book where everyone is hiding something, we are supposed to take on heresay second accounts.
It's sloppy story telling at best and weakens what was otherwise a very strong stretch of the book. It's a shame, because before I got to issue Eight, I was really starting to dig it.

I'll 9-11 later today and then take another break before I read 12.
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Punchy

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Postby Punchy » Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:34 am

Jude Terror wrote:Here's the thing, on its most basic level.

If OMD is/was the beginning of a plot that will eventually be resolved, I'm cool with it. If it was a story with no other purpose than to undo Peter's marriage, it feels too much like a DC universe reboot to me and drives me crazy. I mean, I don't care one way or the other if Peter is married to MJ. I would just like them to, at some point in the future, address and resolve what, to me, was the beginning of a story. A spider-man story doesn't END with Peter making a deal with Mephisto. Something has to happen later. When I believe that something will happen, I'll jump back on board, maybe pick up some hardcovers.


I'd be OK if they never mentioned Mephisto ever again.

Just concentrate on telling good Spider-Man stories, which is what they're doing.
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thefourthman

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Postby thefourthman » Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:37 am

Punchy wrote:I'd be OK if they never mentioned Mephisto ever again.

Just concentrate on telling good Spider-Man stories, which is what they're doing.

really it's not.
a. there are the continuing threads.
b. the only way that story (OMD) is acceptable is that it is resolved... getting JMS off the book would have helped, OMD did not need to happen to get him off the book.

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