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Review Group Week 214 - IRREDEEMABLE #12

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Zero

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Postby Zero » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:46 am

Irredeemable #12

Mark Waid is pretty reliable. I don't think I've ever read a truly horrible comic by him. His Fantastic Four run is is pretty great and Kingdom Come is pretty awful but much of his output falls, for me, solidly in the middle. This middle ground is where his Irredeemable writing has landed.

When I read a hero gone bad story, I get the feeling that I've read it before. Even Powers had trouble putting a truly awesome spin on it, and that featured the Gaza strip getting razed and the Pope melting on-panel. Irredeemable has had a couple of these moments, and the murder of Tony's former foster siblings (I think that's what they were anyway) here is a smaller example of the evil that Singapore's destruction earlier but still manages to be a highlight for the book. The portrayal of evil here is always solid.

The good guys, however, are rubbish. Everything about them is flat and uninteresting, with fairly generic powers (with one exception) and costumes and personalities that amount to them disagreeing and infighting while running away from the fight. Also their costumes are some kind of fugly. Even the artwork seems to look worse when our heroes are the focus, looking sketchier and less expressive. The art doesn't really stand out at the best of times, with a sort generic DC house style in effect bringing nothing extraordinary or special to the party but at least when Tony takes centre stage the combination of glowering, cowering and overpowering (ugh, I'm sorry) that goes on brings out the best in Peter Krause.

Ultimately the book is a solid villain comic half the time and a bland superhero book the other half. It balances out as a fairly average book but one that might come into its own as the concept plays out.

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Punchy

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Postby Punchy » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:12 am

Looks like the general theme this week is any scenes with Plutonian were good stuff, and anything else wasn't.
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MrBlack

WTF is this rank?

Postby MrBlack » Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:10 am

Punchy wrote:Looks like the general theme this week is any scenes with Plutonian were good stuff, and anything else wasn't.

Pretty much. The Plutonian is the draw of the book. Fun Time with the Paradigm just isn't that amusing.
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Amoebas

Son of Stein

Postby Amoebas » Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:41 am

The book's in my Box O Comics which is delivered today.

Doesn't help tho because I'm traveling for work this week.
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Zero

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Postby Zero » Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:28 pm

MrBlack wrote:Pretty much. The Plutonian is the draw of the book. Fun Time with the Paradigm just isn't that amusing.


The Paradigm should have been killed months ago. I appreciate the need for other characters but those guys are just thoroughly meh.

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Postby ****** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:16 pm

Irredeemable #12

I've been reading Irredeemable in trades, so I had to read a few issues to get caught up to the point where I could review this issue. While I think the book has maybe hit a bit of a lull in the story since the end of the second volume, it still made for a fun reading experience.

I agree with some of the discussion in this week's thread that Paradigm seems to be taking up a bit more of the book then what they should be. I've liked the Bette Noir subplot, but mostly those characters aren't developed or interesting enough to make for a compelling story. Irredeemable is obviously at it's best when focusing on Plutonian and those portions of this issue were great as usual.

Peter Krause isn't the flashiest superhero artist in the industry, but his work is always well constructed and serves the story well. Diego Barreto's work meshes well with Krause, most books suffer when there are multiple artists working on the same issue, but Irredeemable has weathered the transition nicely.

Story: 8.5
Art: 7.5
Overall: 8
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MrBlack

WTF is this rank?

Postby MrBlack » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:50 pm

I actually would like to see the Paradigm fleshed out a bit. Qubit is a fascinating character, but he and Bette Noire are the only members who have gotten much in the way of characterization. Heck, Orian has gotten more panel time than Gilgamos or the white haired girl (See, I can't even remember their names!).
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Punchy

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Postby Punchy » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:52 pm

MrBlack wrote:I actually would like to see the Paradigm fleshed out a bit. Qubit is a fascinating character, but he and Bette Noire are the only members who have gotten much in the way of characterization. Heck, Orian has gotten more panel time than Gilgamos or the white haired girl (See, I can't even remember their names!).


Kaiden? Is it Kaiden?
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MrBlack

WTF is this rank?

Postby MrBlack » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:54 pm

Punchy wrote:Kaiden? Is it Kaiden?

Yes, thank you.

We don't even know why her hair is white at this point! It was black in flashbacks.
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48THRiLLS

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Postby 48THRiLLS » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:46 pm

Irredeemable #12
I read the first trade and it didn't really click with me so much so I never read any further. This may have a been a good issue if you are a fan of the book and up to date with the goings on but for me it fell quite flat. The Plutonion may be an interesting character but I see him as more of a butt hurt crybaby than super villain, especially the part where he kills what looks to be his family? I know a lot of people are enjoying this book and that is great but I find it hard to get behind a book whose characters are either boring or are completely unlikable. I also am not the biggest fan of the art here, this ish had 2 different guys and both were sub par IMO.

STORY - 6

ART - 5

OVERALL - 5.5
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Dragavon

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Postby Dragavon » Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:43 pm

Iredeemable #12
By Waid & Krause.

Waid writes some truly disturbing scenes as we see the Plutonian's further decline into madness and the final pages are pretty grim, but aside from that the book is lagging a bit. There still doesn't seem to be a protagonist who you care for in this book. Most of the characters are ciphers that seem to exist only to further the plot. I mean we find out that one of the characters had an adulterous affair with the Plutonian which might have something to do with his current state of mind but I don't care about the woman or the man she betrayed. All in all it seems a bit flat.

As to the artist, Krause is at best adequate here. There's nothing wrong with the work but neither does it wow me. Functional would be the best term.

Writing 7
Art 5
Total Score 6

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Postby ****** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:16 am

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guitarsmashley

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Postby guitarsmashley » Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:32 am

yeah, decided not to read since I trade wait it.
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thefourthman

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Postby thefourthman » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:04 am

Irredeemable #12

Written by Mark Waid
Illustrated by Peter Krause & Diego Barreto

So Bette didn't want to be a cheater and that is somehow better than being concerned about Gil's feelings? What a weird ass book filled with weird ass characters.

The whole Plutonian going to see his foster family thing makes sense in its conclusion, but them going there still makes no sense to me. It honestly feels like there was a whole issue missing between 8 and 9.

I didn't get what was up with Joey after his parents died either, did he just go all catatonic and if so, then why can he still holler out "cheerio"?

So Orian sucked Cary into his demon portal thing. Good, that guy sucked. I also like the appearance of A.I.M. agents putting baggies over the heroes head... how Heroes of the book.

This was a bad issue of an average book. Punchy was surprised it scored so low, I am surprised it scored as high.

The art is servicable but nothing to write home about and there are some places (Joey all catatonic) that the script doesn't make sense so It is hard to know what the hell is going on exactly.

Story 3
Art 5
Overall 4
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thefourthman

Outhouse Editor

Postby thefourthman » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:19 am

So reading through the reviews, every is astonished that the Paradigm is so flat. Why? Plutonian is the protagonist here, this is Tony's story, everyone else is set dressing. They aren't realized characters, they are hangers on that Tony put in the forefront when people became worried by all the capes. They are all meant to serve a purpose to the larger story of Tony and by making them flat and ultimately unlikeable, Plutonian becomes a sympathetic character, which could not happen if they were fleshed out and righteous.

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