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Postby Punchy » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:08 am

Why are people getting more upset about dogs being killed than humans?

That always irks me, people seem to have more compassion for animals than people, and that's wrong in my eyes.

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Postby BlueStreak » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:11 am

Punchy wrote:Why are people getting more upset about dogs being killed than humans?

That always irks me, people seem to have more compassion for animals than people, and that's wrong in my eyes.


Animals are defenseless. People are shit. That's why.

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Postby Punchy » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:13 am

BlueStreak wrote:Animals are defenseless. People are shit. That's why.


There are plenty of defenceless humans too.

And people aren't shit at all.

And dogs are capable of attacking and even killing humans.

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Postby Eli Katz » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:18 am

Punchy wrote:Why are people getting more upset about dogs being killed than humans?

That always irks me, people seem to have more compassion for animals than people, and that's wrong in my eyes.

To be clear, only Spicy Dick objected to the dog scenes.

I, on the other hand, dislike the book because it's poorly written (or translated). The dogs scenes didn't bother me at all.

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Postby MrBlack » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:19 am

Punchy wrote:There are plenty of defenceless humans too.

And people aren't shit at all.

And dogs are capable of attacking and even killing humans.

Like babies?

http://www.theouthousers.com/forum/view ... sc&start=0

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Postby guitarsmashley » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:20 am

Punchy wrote:There are plenty of defenceless humans too.

And people aren't shit at all.

And dogs are capable of attacking and even killing humans.


Usually because they have been trained by shitty humans to do shitty things.
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Postby Punchy » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:22 am



Yep, and that doesn't bother me.

I just think getting more upset about a dog's death than a human's in a story is pretty crazy. A dog's life is in no way equal to a human's.

Maybe HoJ has real-life experience with a dog dying, I don't know, but I see this attitude all over (I Am Legend is a good example) and it annoys me. Maybe I'm just not an animal person, but I don't get it.

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Postby Starlord » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:22 am

Punchy wrote:Why are people getting more upset about dogs being killed than humans?



Don't listen to them. I care about people much more than I do those mangy little beasts. Bastards! All of them!


(But in fairness I hate anything that can lick itself whenever it chooses)
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Postby MrBlack » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:24 am

Punchy wrote:Yep, and that doesn't bother me.

I just think getting more upset about a dog's death than a human's in a story is pretty crazy. A dog's life is in no way equal to a human's.

Maybe HoJ has real-life experience with a dog dying, I don't know, but I see this attitude all over (I Am Legend is a good example) and it annoys me. Maybe I'm just not an animal person, but I don't get it.

There's an idea that animals have a sense of innocence that humans don't. Most people infantalize pets, so seeing one of them die is like seeing a small child die, something most of us are hard wired to find rather horrifying.

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Postby Punchy » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:26 am

MrBlack wrote:There's an idea that animals have a sense of innocence that humans don't. Most people infantalize pets, so seeing one of them die is like seeing a small child die, something most of us are hard wired to find rather horrifying.


Sure, find it horrifying, that's fine, but more horrifying than the death of humans? That's not right in my eyes.

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Postby Victorian Squid » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:34 am

MrBlack wrote:Roy Harper will be using those dogs to beat up more homeless people in the next installment of "The Rise of Arsenal."


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The dog thing, everyone, I told you it's just a thing with me, and it's not one experience, it's hundreds over the course of 5 years dealing with the worst abuses people commit on animals. Some people are shit. After the first dog was shot, I was willing to give the book a chance, just a few pages later when the second dog gets shot I just don't need to bother, the first Pulp Fiction rip-off scene gave me no reason to extend any further credit to the author either. I have plenty of other stuff to read.

And I don't need to further justify that to any of you, but least of all you, Punchy.

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Postby Zero » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:36 am

Y'know what's awesome? When Batman beats up those dogs in The Dark Knight. Discuss. :D

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Postby MrBlack » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:36 am

Punchy wrote:Sure, find it horrifying, that's fine, but more horrifying than the death of humans? That's not right in my eyes.

It's a gut reaction. Rationally, we may tell ourselves that a human life is worth more than an animal's, but for the reasons I gave we tend to have a more visceral reaction to the death of a dog or cat. It doesn't help that, at least in America, we've become so desensitized to violence.

Pet abuse is apparently the new way to shock people, following up on amputation (Risk, Roy Harper) and beating people to death with Guitar Hero controllers.

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Postby Punchy » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:36 am

Victorian Squid wrote::smt091

The dog thing, everyone, I told you it's just a thing with me, and it's not one experience, it's hundreds over the course of 5 years dealing with the worst abuses people commit on animals. Some people are shit. After the first dog was shot, I was willing to give the book a chance, just a few pages later when the second dog gets shot I just don't need to bother, the first Pulp Fiction rip-off scene gave me no reason to extend any further credit to the author either. I have plenty of other stuff to read.

And I don't need to further justify that to any of you, but least of all you, Punchy.


Gee, thanks.

This isn't about you, it's a general trend that irks me.

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Postby Punchy » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:38 am

MrBlack wrote:It's a gut reaction. Rationally, we may tell ourselves that a human life is worth more than an animal's, but for the reasons I gave we tend to have a more visceral reaction to the death of a dog or cat. It doesn't help that, at least in America, we've become so desensitized to violence.

Pet abuse is apparently the new way to shock people, following up on amputation (Risk, Roy Harper) and beating people to death with Guitar Hero controllers.


I just think it's wrong, and has become a lazy storytelling device, that doesn't even work on me.

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