kingbobb wrote:but it's not really the best Trek series. I think that goes to Voyager. I watched the first 2 seasons of Voyager before losing track of it, but I re-watched the entire series a little over a year ago when recording them off of Spike TV. For its entire run, Voyager manages to out Trek TOS in terms of capturing the ideas and ideals that Roddenberry attempted to capture in his creation. It also managed to successfully portray female captain who was more than just a version of Kirk with boobs.
I wish I could express how much I disagree with you, but my head can only explode so much. This is the kinda statement that gets your name put on the terrorist watch list. It's the kind of statement that increases the universal level of entropy. It's the kind of premise that makes baby jesus cry.
There really only were two good things about Voyager. Jeri Ryan's right boob, and her left boob while the Doctor was standing somehwere slightly off-screen. Until her boobs were assimilated by the Collective, the only thing worthwhile on Voyager was the Doctor. And that's because out of all the mouth-breathers on that ship, he's the most believably human character.
A fuckin' hologram.
And Seven of Nine requires no explanations.
Voyager does a better job of capturing Roddenberry's ideals than TOS? Well, let's check that:
1) First of all, we've got a crew composed of Starfleet officers and terrorists. Now, these aren't just any run-of-the-mill terrorists; they're ex-Starfleet officers who turned on their government, committing treason.
You know what happened to treasonous bastiches in TOS era? They'd send Captain Kirk to whup their space-nazi, communist asses. They even had to start creating parallel earths just so Kirk could continue whupping their asses.
The Maquis, being much more morally advanced citizens of the future than Kirk's band of primitive barbarians, simply weren't enlightened enough to realize they could grab up their industrial replicators and farm on another planet. No, instead, they ignored Federation law and decided that some acres of land were more important than the ideals of galactic cooperation and peace.
They decided that their real estate was worth more than a peace treaty with a former enemy.
And once these insurgent bastiches got on board Voyager, they spent half the actual voyage running down their captain or generally complaining about all the time taken to explore cosmic anomalies. All because they wanna get back to the Alpha Quadrant, so they can continue killing Cardassians and attacking Federation supply routes and what-not.
2) Second of all, we've got a crew and a Captain who care even less about the dangers of sharing dangerous Starfleet tech than Kirk does. The episode that Spike was rocking yesterday had Janeway give dangerous technology to a dangerous adversary race that has proven repeatedly how naughty it is. On first blush, the holographic technology they shared with these Predator rip-offs might seem innocuous. Until you remember that, with the safeties switched off, holograms can be deadly.
This is made even worse somehow by the fact that Voyager just spent an entire two-part episode showing exactly how dangerous this tech is. And they just give it to a race that has proven over and over again how little they respect life.
And that is made even worse by the fact that, when Voyager next encounters the Hirogen, they've abused this technology even more than they did when they took over Voyager, and are now using it to create sentient holographic prey.
That in and of itself is bad because, holograms or no, these are sentient beings. But it's made worse because it backfires in Voyagers face since these are pissed off
I'm thinking the Academy probably devotes an entire semester of classes telling cadets why this shit is wrong.
And we know why Janeway did this: she knows the Hirogen way of life is self-destructive and she gave her word to the Hirogen commander. Good to see her priorities are in order, I guess.
Of course, like Captain, like crew. Tuvok attempts to steal some tech from an alien culture with their own Prime Directive that will help Voyager maybe shave a few years off their trip. I mean, that's cool and the gang when you're involved in a cold war with some romulan bastiches who keep building goddamn cloaking devices. But not so much when you've entered into peaceful diplomatic relations with an entirely new culture under first contact protocols. let's just jack these fools for their space-doohickies.
Again, we know why Tuvok does this: because they wanna fuckin' get home before his wife starts entering logical discourse with the milkman. But since we're talking ideals and values here, that don't make it right.
3) Utter lack of respect for the frickin' hologram. Like, these bastiches have to be slowly convinced over the entire course of the show that the Doctor has feelings and is sentient enough to not just cut him off in the middle of a sentence. He's lucky he hooked up with that mobile emitter or else they'd still probably be calling him "It" and turning the lights off on him when they walk out of Sickbay.
Of course, I ain't saying this is necessarily the fault of the characters. Janeway's not a bad character. Chakotay's not a bad character.
It's the writing. They had nothing but bland ideas for the writing, and then had the temerity to blame it on Roddenberry's rules for the 24th century man. Picard was a 24th century man, and he still managed to bed at least three or four bettys over the course of his cruise. He's pontificating and spouting Shakespeare on the one hand, and on the other, he's bedding down with vash, and some JAG hoo-er and one of his own officer honeys. How like a mutha-fuckin' god.
Meanwhile, harry Kim can't even manage to throw down with Seven's sexy ass even when she's throwing it in his face.
But on a more serious tip, this blandness translated into an utterly wasted premise: lack of conflict. Remember how I mentioned the treasonous bastiches in the Maquis before? it's like, after the first season, they just squashed their conflict. Paris and Chakotay are fine. Tuvok and Chakotay are fine. The potential for interpersonal drama here was immense. These are two guys who have crossed Chakotay. Paris was an untrustworthy renegade before he got sent to the hoosgow; Tuvok was an undercover Op who infiltrated Chakotay's Maquis cell. But at the most, we get little more than lip service given to these potentially juicy conflicts.
So instead of seeing them grow into a united crew, we're simply told they already have done that.
Bland writing also gave us hollow retreads of TNG episodes and concepts. it wasn't even the third or fourth episode of Voyager before we got Generic Space Anomaly: A as the major plotline of the episode. Oh hey, that odd shaped blob on the viewscreen stuck in the event horizon of that space-booty? That's us! We're seeing ourselves in a quantum disco space-echo!
At least in TNG, the space-techno-mojo usually led to the characters learning some interesting truth about themselves or human nature. "Disaster" is a good example. But in Voyager, it's just a way of killing time until the credits roll.
Lotta wasted opportunities in Voyager.
Unfortunately, it's this same blandness which leads to Janeway being so ineffective as a captain. The character was initially billed as being closer to Kirk than to Picard or Sisko, but we didn't see much of that. All we saw her doing was letting Voyager get taken over completely at least twice while she's getting popped in the mouth and smacked down on the hard deck like a punk ass red shirted ensign. Hell's balls, even Picard beat the ass out of two punk Klingon assassins who jumped him. Sisko threw a beatin' on Q when he started talkin' all that cosmic smack. And Kirk would throw the flying double fisted dropkick boogaloo down on anyone who stepped wrong.
A Starfleet captain who can't drop mad fisticuffs on some heads when the shit is deep and some space bitches are trying to jack your ride? This is made even worse by the fact that, despite coming up in the Engineering department before she was a Command Officer, Janeway couldn't figure out how to set a photon torpedo with a goddamn egg timer, to keep them from getting stuck in the Delta Quadrant in the first place.
She was just never written as the character they wanted her to be.
Which brings us to Seven of Nine's assets, mentioned before. As much as i dig the Seven, it was obvious she was added to the cast to add some punch, some interest. It's sad they felt the only way to do that was with some hi-tech cheesecake stuffed into a skintight silver catsuit. On WWE, they called it Diva Search. But the same principle applies. And it was equally sad that after her introduction and until the final episode, Seven got the lion's share of the writers' attention. Her character was developed the most, often at the expense of other characters.
Of course, since I liked Seven, this was a good thing for me. But the actors on the show hated it. I remember reading an interview with Robert beltran where he was complaining about this.
I think the writers and producers became too complacent during this time. They did not recover until several episodes into the final season of Enterprise, and then, during that show's final episode, slid back into complacency.