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Review Group Week #251: DAREDEVIL #512

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guitarsmashley

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Postby guitarsmashley » Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:17 pm

Daredevil? More like shit devil. This was a seriously dumb comic. Granted I walked into in the last 10 minutes of what sounds like a dumb movie but the whole thing just sounds bad and the art is still bad fake Maleev.

3
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Starlord

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Postby Starlord » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:06 pm

guitarsmashley wrote:Daredevil? More like shit devil. This was a seriously dumb comic. Granted I walked into in the last 10 minutes of what sounds like a dumb movie but the whole thing just sounds bad and the art is still bad fake Maleev.

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You are wacked! It was no where near that bad. Damn, dude, you gave it a Grant Morrison rating! That's not right. :smt011

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Postby ****** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:47 pm

Daredevil #512

"You must read Shadowland #5 before reading this issue."

Understatement.

After Bru left Daredevil, I read Diggle's first couple of issues and promptly abandoned ship. After reading the recap in this issue, clearly skipping Shadowland and it's multitude of tie-ins and spin-offs was the right call.

Seeing as this was an epilogue for something I hadn't read, this was straight up boring. Sure there were lots of great characters in it, but apart from tinges of nostalgia from Bru's run it didn't do anything to make me interested or care. Yes, yes, in the dark Daredevil and Black Panther have similar costumes, very clever. Yawn. Somebody wake me when they reboot Daredevil and retcon Diggle out of existence. Also as a courtesy could I get a warning before I have to read another Antony Johnston scripted comic? That dude made even Queen and Country boring.

Marco Checchetto's art in this was pretty awesome. I don't think I had seen any of his stuff and I was pleasantly surprised. Had it been uncolored art I probably would have scored it somewhere in the 9 area. Mostly Matt Hollingsworth's colors in this were good, but there are panels that just took me right out of the book. (i.e. anytime there was smoke or the lighting effects on BP)

Story: 2
Art: 8
Overall: 4
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S.F. Jude Terror

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:05 pm

Daredevil 512 review

I read Shadowland, and also the delightfully awful Shadowland: Moon Knight book (which would have been a much better book for us to review), so I didn't go into this with any handicap.

What struck me most about this book was how uninterested I was in any of the storylines. I could have read none of Shadowland, and I didn't read any of Diggle's run other than it, or Brubaker's run, or Bendis's, or Smith's. Yet, I had no problem following what was going on with all of these characters. Why? Because they've gone through no fundamental changes since I was a kid, or if they have, they've come full circle. DC Comics would call this "iconic," but I call it lack of progress.

The only storyline I'm interested in here is Black Panther's, and that has nothing to do with Daredevil. I gave this book a shot with the big event, and was unimpressed. However, please more from the creative team of Shadowland: Moon Knight.

Absolutely Average. 5/5
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guitarsmashley

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Postby guitarsmashley » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:09 pm

Jude Terror wrote:Daredevil 512 review

I read Shadowland, and also the delightfully awful Shadowland: Moon Knight book (which would have been a much better book for us to review), so I didn't go into this with any handicap.

What struck me most about this book was how uninterested I was in any of the storylines. I could have read none of Shadowland, and I didn't read any of Diggle's run other than it, or Brubaker's run, or Bendis's, or Smith's. Yet, I had no problem following what was going on with all of these characters. Why? Because they've gone through no fundamental changes since I was a kid, or if they have, they've come full circle. DC Comics would call this "iconic," but I call it lack of progress.

The only storyline I'm interested in here is Black Panther's, and that has nothing to do with Daredevil. I gave this book a shot with the big event, and was unimpressed. However, please more from the creative team of Shadowland: Moon Knight.

Absolutely Average. 5/5


You know that means 5 out of 5 right?
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guitarsmashley

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Postby guitarsmashley » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:10 pm

starlord wrote:

You are wacked! It was no where near that bad. Damn, dude, you gave it a Grant Morrison rating! That's not right. :smt011


It definitely was. And part of it is definitely coming into the last chapter of a shitty long term 30 issue story. So much for being a street level story...involving demons...
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BlueStreak

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Postby BlueStreak » Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:35 am

My only question: How did this get more reviews than Batwoman #0?

(Cue the drama....now!)
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S.F. Jude Terror

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:44 am

guitarsmashley wrote:
You know that means 5 out of 5 right?


Give me a break, I typed that shit on my phone. :x 5/10
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Greg

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Postby Greg » Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:38 am

BlueStreak wrote:My only question: How did this get more reviews than Batwoman #0?

(Cue the drama....now!)


People love to buy books that can waste money and complain and trash about while good books are left to suffer.

/Greg'd
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BlueStreak

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Postby BlueStreak » Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:39 am

Jude Terror wrote:
Give me a break, I typed that shit on my phone. :x 5/10


No worries. I used context clues to figure out what was what.
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GHERU

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Postby GHERU » Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:40 am

BlueStreak wrote:My only question: How did this get more reviews than Batwoman #0?

(Cue the drama....now!)

already on pull lists?
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BlueStreak

The Red Stands for Irony

Postby BlueStreak » Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:47 am

Greg wrote:
People love to buy books that can waste money and complain and trash about while good books are left to suffer.

/Greg'd


Yeah, more of the "non-regulars" came out for this book than Batwoman. Granted, both were in double digits (we're slowly building toward the first of my three goals for Review Group!).

Here's the crazy thing. Daredevil has (and I'm doing this by memory so it might be off by a digit or two) 16 reviews so far which puts it as the most reviewed book since Nemesis #3. Batwoman had fourteen, which is still a solid amount of reviews. However, the amount of Daredevil reviews doubles the amounts of American Vampire and Hellboy, both of which are highly acclaimed books and indy books that I thought were pretty well circulated.
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GHERU

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Postby GHERU » Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:52 am

BlueStreak wrote:
Yeah, more of the "non-regulars" came out for this book than Batwoman. Granted, both were in double digits (we're slowly building toward the first of my three goals for Review Group!).

Here's the crazy thing. Daredevil has (and I'm doing this by memory so it might be off by a digit or two) 16 reviews so far which puts it as the most reviewed book since Nemesis #3. Batwoman had fourteen, which is still a solid amount of reviews. However, the amount of Daredevil reviews doubles the amounts of American Vampire and Hellboy, both of which are highly acclaimed books and indy books that I thought were pretty well circulated.

wait for trade? same reason that Fables 100 (if not too expensive) would have less reviews than one would assume
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BlueStreak

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Postby BlueStreak » Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:03 am

GHERU wrote:wait for trade? same reason that Fables 100 (if not too expensive) would have less reviews than one would assume


Good possibility for that, especially with Hellboy. I'm not criticizing by any means. I understand money concerns, trade waiting and all that jazz. (I'm about to make a hefty cut into my pull list due to budget realignment and the realization that there's some stuff I'm just not enjoying anymore) I guess I overestimated the draw of certain books, especially American Vampire, which I thought was generally believed to be one of the best books on the stands today. The Spreadsheet of Doom reveals a lot.

I'm also interested to see how this coming week's pick goes. I'm hoping we maintain our double digit streak.

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Postby ****** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:11 am

BlueStreak wrote:My only question: How did this get more reviews than Batwoman #0?

(Cue the drama....now!)


Principles.

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