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Re: Review Group #259: Fantastic Four #587

Postby Victorian Squid » Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:12 pm

MGS alert--check the resale on some of the other recent 1st print FF issues, including #585:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Fantastic-Four-585- ... 500wt_1156

John, if you bought a run of the first printings like you said, you stand to make a shit-ton of money off of them if you check.
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Re: Review Group #259: Fantastic Four #587

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:lol:

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Re: Review Group #259: Fantastic Four #587

Postby Victorian Squid » Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:14 pm

John Snow wrote::lol:


And you're welcome! :-D
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Re: Review Group #259: Fantastic Four #587

Postby BlueStreak » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:07 pm

My store got shipped 153 extra copies. :-D
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Re: Review Group #259: Fantastic Four #587

Postby Victorian Squid » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:08 pm

BlueStreak wrote:My store got shipped 153 extra copies. :-D


No shit, they weren't concerned with limiting quantities at all.
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Re: Review Group #259: Fantastic Four #587

Postby ElijahSnowFan » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:23 pm

I haven't read this yet, but don't think I will, mainly for the items you guys pointed out.

I really do like Hickman's work on Secret Warriors, and I think he's extremely talented.

But it was clear, after reading even a few of his FF stories, that he had no freaking clue what to do with Johnny Storm. He simply had no use for the character, and he said as much in his interview on the 'Rama's front page (I read that before I registered here, last night.)

We've all been around this block before. There's going to be deaths and resurrections and comics, and that's fine. We get it.

But they never are more irritating than when a creator clearly has no use for the character they kill and simply uses that death to move other characters to another place they like better.

Hey, I freely admit that writing Fantastic Four is probably hard as hell, at times. But at the end of the day, each of those four characters has, or has the potential to have, great stories told with them, each and every month.

Sooooo...no, I can't officially review it. I won't cheat by leaving a score. But man, it's frustrating when a character so clearly not valued by a creator is cast aside.
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Re: Review Group #259: Fantastic Four #587

Postby Amoebas » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:57 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:Sooooo...no, I can't officially review it. I won't cheat by leaving a score. But man, it's frustrating when a character so clearly not valued by a creator is cast aside.

Welcome to the Outhouse where cheating is not only allowed but encouraged. :-D

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Re: Review Group #259: Fantastic Four #587

Postby ElijahSnowFan » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:09 pm

Amoebas wrote:Welcome to the Outhouse where cheating is not only allowed but encouraged. :-D


Ha! OK, then!

SCREW YOU, HICKMAN! Johnny Storm was my favorite one, and it's a big bucketful of fail that he didn't even get to go out with a Nova Blast! Damn it! :smt013 :smt013 :smt013

Story: 0
Art: 8 from the panels I've seen
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Final rating: Epic Freaking Fail
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Re: Review Group #259: Fantastic Four #587

Postby Amoebas » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:28 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:
Ha! OK, then!

SCREW YOU, HICKMAN! Johnny Storm was my favorite one, and it's a big bucketful of fail that he didn't even get to go out with a Nova Blast! Damn it! :smt013 :smt013 :smt013

Story: 0
Art: 8 from the panels I've seen
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Final rating: Epic Freaking Fail

:lol: Awesome

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Review Group #259: Fantastic Four #587

Postby BlueStreak » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:30 pm

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Re: Review Group #259: Fantastic Four #587

Postby Victorian Squid » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:13 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:
Ha! OK, then!

SCREW YOU, HICKMAN! Johnny Storm was my favorite one, and it's a big bucketful of fail that he didn't even get to go out with a Nova Blast! Damn it! :smt013 :smt013 :smt013

Story: 0
Art: 8 from the panels I've seen
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Final rating: Epic Freaking Fail


The Hicklash is strong in this one. :shock:
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Re: Review Group #259: Fantastic Four #587

Postby ElijahSnowFan » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:22 pm

Victorious Squid wrote:
The Hicklash is strong in this one. :shock:


Ha! Actually, for this particular instance, more than anything.

Hickman's been pretty much golden, and really, I haven't had a problem with how he's killed characters before -- people get lit up in Secret Warriors all the time, and I think that run's been borderline brilliant.

But this one...well, it bothers me, mainly because I expect more from Hickman. Death's a cliche. It's not interesting anymore, and whether Johnny Storm is dead for 12 months or 12 years or 50 years, the bottom line is that he was deemed most expendable because really, Hickman thought he didn't fit into modern storytelling and he couldn't use him.

OK. As fans, we go around and around on this all the time. I just wish Hickman would've taken the road less traveled and had Johnny Storm leave the book some other way and just made the changes he wants to make to the franchise without taking the character off the board.

As always, it's not whether you dislike a character or not. It's whether you respect the character, and for once, I just felt like Hickman simply didn't respect the character much at all -- like it's the character's fault that no one ever really developed him, you know?
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Re: Review Group #259: Fantastic Four #587

Postby Victorian Squid » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:34 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:
Ha! Actually, for this particular instance, more than anything.

Hickman's been pretty much golden, and really, I haven't had a problem with how he's killed characters before -- people get lit up in Secret Warriors all the time, and I think that run's been borderline brilliant.

But this one...well, it bothers me, mainly because I expect more from Hickman. Death's a cliche. It's not interesting anymore, and whether Johnny Storm is dead for 12 months or 12 years or 50 years, the bottom line is that he was deemed most expendable because really, Hickman thought he didn't fit into modern storytelling and he couldn't use him.

OK. As fans, we go around and around on this all the time. I just wish Hickman would've taken the road less traveled and had Johnny Storm leave the book some other way and just made the changes he wants to make to the franchise without taking the character off the board.

As always, it's not whether you dislike a character or not. It's whether you respect the character, and for once, I just felt like Hickman simply didn't respect the character much at all -- like it's the character's fault that no one ever really developed him, you know?


Most people here know this already, but I like Hickman's earlier work and am not so satisfied with his Marvel output. (That being said, I've only read the first hardcover of his Secret Warriors run--and I liked it but nowhere near the order of Nightly News or Pax Romana.)

I've said too that he never really seemed to know how to write Johnny, especially his use of powers. (Of course, he's still light-years ahead of Joe Ahearne who wrote the gawdawful abortion annual last year.)

I'm not at all sure I'm on board for the relaunch in a few months, although the FF are one of my favorite superhero franchises.
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Re: Review Group #259: Fantastic Four #587

Postby SilverPhoenix » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:48 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:
Ha! Actually, for this particular instance, more than anything.

Hickman's been pretty much golden, and really, I haven't had a problem with how he's killed characters before -- people get lit up in Secret Warriors all the time, and I think that run's been borderline brilliant.

But this one...well, it bothers me, mainly because I expect more from Hickman. Death's a cliche. It's not interesting anymore, and whether Johnny Storm is dead for 12 months or 12 years or 50 years, the bottom line is that he was deemed most expendable because really, Hickman thought he didn't fit into modern storytelling and he couldn't use him.

OK. As fans, we go around and around on this all the time. I just wish Hickman would've taken the road less traveled and had Johnny Storm leave the book some other way and just made the changes he wants to make to the franchise without taking the character off the board.

As always, it's not whether you dislike a character or not. It's whether you respect the character, and for once, I just felt like Hickman simply didn't respect the character much at all -- like it's the character's fault that no one ever really developed him, you know?


Here's the thing, someone did try to develop Johnny.

But since that develop took place in the 90's, it was automatically deemed shit and thrown away.

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Re: Review Group #259: Fantastic Four #587

Postby BlueStreak » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:51 pm

SilverPhoenix wrote:
Here's the thing, someone did try to develop Johnny.

But since that develop took place in the 90's, it was automatically deemed shit and thrown away.


Hard to imagine why.
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