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Review Group Week #264: Secret Warriors #25

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Windom URL

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Postby Windom URL » Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:34 pm

Kudos to Marvel for launching the new Crossgen line @ $2.99, sorry to say the preview didn't interest me in the slightest.
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GLX

Outhouse Editor

Postby GLX » Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:30 pm

OMG! THS WAZ ,LIK, TOTALLY HARD 2 GET IN2! SOOOOO BAD!

Not really. All that needs to be known is that the world's most dangerous and secretive men have been retrieved by a secret and powerful group.

"I get what I want and you get the world."

For those that have never picked up an issue of Secret Warriors, the events in this issue might not carry as much weight; for those that have been following this comic since issue #1, there is plenty of material to enjoy. Alessandro Vitti and IFS turn in their usual quality of work, which is not a bad thing in the least. Is this the best place to start reading Secret Warriors? Not necessarily, but there are worse points to jump in on a comic.

7.8* out of 10*
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Eli Katz

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Postby Eli Katz » Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:37 pm

Next week's pick: Ultimate Comics Spider-Man #155.
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Punchy

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Postby Punchy » Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:16 pm

Eli Katz wrote:Next week's pick: Ultimate Comics Spider-Man #155.


For the Samnee?
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Rockman

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Postby Rockman » Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:18 pm

Eli Katz wrote:Next week's pick: Ultimate Comics Spider-Man #155.


:D

I'm glad you guys keep picking books I usually read anyways.
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Windom URL

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Postby Windom URL » Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:45 pm

AMS wrote:
:D

I'm glad you guys keep picking books I usually read anyways.


Yet another bad omen for the Review Group..

Almost 30 members, so far about a review and a half. And only 2 interesting things in the whole thread, #1 being we know that for Leonardo da Vinci is not on AMS' list of turn-ons, and #2 by quoting Sartre's midwife and then ultimately picking Ultimate Spider-man, Eli Katz has been forever outed as the pseudo-intellectual his detractors have always claimed him to be.
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BlueStreak

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Postby BlueStreak » Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:12 pm

Viscous Skid wrote:
Yet another bad omen for the Review Group..

Almost 30 members, so far about a review and a half. And only 2 interesting things in the whole thread, #1 being we know that for Leonardo da Vinci is not on AMS' list of turn-ons, and #2 by quoting Sartre's midwife and then ultimately picking Ultimate Spider-man, Eli Katz has been forever outed as the pseudo-intellectual his detractors have always claimed him to be.


Sorry, I've been bedridden all weekend with a nasty flu. I'll have a review for early this week.
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Windom URL

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Postby Windom URL » Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:15 pm

BlueStreak wrote:
Sorry, I've been bedridden all weekend with a nasty flu. I'll have a review for early this week.


Yeah, that shit going around is nasty, I was sick for about 2 weeks. FWIW I can't even find my copy of Secret Warriors #25 anyway.
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Punchy

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Postby Punchy » Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:28 pm

Viscous Skid wrote:
Yet another bad omen for the Review Group..

Almost 30 members, so far about a review and a half. And only 2 interesting things in the whole thread, #1 being we know that for Leonardo da Vinci is not on AMS' list of turn-ons, and #2 by quoting Sartre's midwife and then ultimately picking Ultimate Spider-man, Eli Katz has been forever outed as the pseudo-intellectual his detractors have always claimed him to be.


Well you haven't done a review yet have you?

Physician, heal thyself.

My review will be up tomorrow.
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Windom URL

Rain Partier

Postby Windom URL » Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:29 pm

Punchy wrote:
Well you haven't done a review yet have you?

Physician, heal thyself.

My review will be up tomorrow.


Well until I counted them I thought I had done a review.
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Eli Katz

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Postby Eli Katz » Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:54 pm

Punchy wrote:
For the Samnee?

That, plus my nephew reads USM. So I can either read his copy or I can buy one and give it to him after I'm done. Probably the latter scenario, because then I can pretend to be the generous uncle.
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Punchy

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Postby Punchy » Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:56 pm

Eli Katz wrote:That, plus my nephew reads USM. So I can either read his copy or I can buy one and give it to him after I'm done. Probably the latter scenario, because then I can pretend to be the generous uncle.


Plus, it's the Great One again.
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Eli Katz

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Postby Eli Katz » Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:10 pm

Punchy wrote:
Plus, it's the Great One again.

That too.
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fieldy snuts

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Postby fieldy snuts » Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:15 pm

Finally was in the right mood to do this:


Secret Warriors #25

I'm expecting this book to catch its fair share of heat in the Review Group for not being very new reader friendly. As someone who has followed both S.H.I.E.L.D. and Secret Warriors however, my opinion of this book couldn't be more different.

This is finally the issue that ties together the back story of the Zodiac group that Fury, Baron Strucker, Scorpio Fury, Dugan and a ton of others were part of. It also explains exactly how it ties into the S.H.I.E.L.D. series which had an immensely different tone and setting than Secret Warriors did.

To be honest though, I didn't really care about this that much. Hickman had established such a complex mythology, character range and setting that I never really thought much about it other than "It's S.H.I.E.L.D. vs Hydra vs the resurfaced Russian spy network known as Leviathan". The way everything flowed together in a crazy ride made me totally forget about the past that was being constantly hinted.

And at issue 25, just a few issues short of the series conclusion we get this: an issue that not only addressed the Zodiac wheel, but starts hinting at the ties between both these Hickman titles. Watching everything be explained on how it had fallen into place was satisfying, though at the same time infuriating as even in this oversized issue the pacing was very hurried, highlighting a big concern of mine that Marvel cutting down the planned issues will result in rushed storytelling in order to give an explanation for everything. We got quick scene transitions to never fully appreciate everything that happened. Even if this was broken down into 2-3 issues I think the story would have been a lot more solid.

But overall as a fan of this series and Hickman's big S.H.I.E.L.D. plan, I still liked it despite that flaw. We see everyone that was named in the Zodiac when in The List: Secret Warriors along with what their role was in this, we see the rise of Hydra and Leviathan as spy networks and what motivated Nick Fury deciding to clean this mess up. All in one issue.

But like I said, that's this books biggest problem, trying to cram so much stuff in so little room. It's a welcome change in the era where decompression of comics reigns supreme, but now that we're getting everything in one hotshot every issue with no time for anything to settle down so we can savor some moments it just feels flat at times. This was a big issue with the last issue that introduced Mikel Fury's team only to kill them all off in one issue...that could have been one entire story arc.

Everything is just been crammed into the deadline this series has which is honestly a shame in my eyes. Totally disappointing, but I can hardly fault Hickman for wanting to tell his complete story. The blame on this goes solely to the editors that cut down this series from its initial vision.

On the art front,I miss Stafano Caselli on this book. But Allessandro Vitti makes for an adequate replacement. But good lord, some of the faces of the characters totally confuse me at times...particularly with the Kraken and Jake Fury who had similar features.

Bottom line, the issue was a very mixed bag with some average, good and great moments. Can't say anything was terrible in the book...but I can understand if someone who isn't clued in to the back story might be lost or confused and be frustrated with this book enough to knock it.

Story: 7
Art: 7
Overall: 7
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Eli Katz

OMCTO

Postby Eli Katz » Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:26 pm

Viscous Skid wrote:
Yet another bad omen for the Review Group..

Almost 30 members, so far about a review and a half. And only 2 interesting things in the whole thread, #1 being we know that for Leonardo da Vinci is not on AMS' list of turn-ons, and #2 by quoting Sartre's midwife and then ultimately picking Ultimate Spider-man, Eli Katz has been forever outed as the pseudo-intellectual his detractors have always claimed him to be.


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