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by **Timbales** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:36 pm

Firestorm looks fucking awful. The costume designs are horrible.

by **BlueStreak** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:37 pm

Zechs wrote:Batgirl is dead on arrival too. Instead of one fanbase pissed off, DC has pissed off three. No matter what Gail does or says the book is gonna die with Barbara Gordon as Batgirl. The only way it'll work if she twists it into a Batgirl team book. Only way to please the fanbases.

Superman and Action Comics are dead on arrival too. Instead of one fanbase pissed off, DC has pissed off a half dozen. No matter what Grant and George says or does, the book is going to die with a young and/or modern Superman as Superman. The only way it'll work is if they twist it into a Superman team book that bounces back and forth with the title Action Superman Comics featuring Batman featuring modern Kal-El, Earth-2 Superman, Earth One Superman, Smallville Superman, Brandon Routh Superman, Man of Steel Superman, Birthright Superman, Superboy AND a Superman wholly owned by Siegel and Shuster. Only way to not confuse the fanbases.

by **nietoperz** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:38 pm

BlueStreak wrote:I have more of those, but I think I've proven my point.

No, please continue! :-D

by **ElijahSnowFan** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:05 pm

Ha! Didn't mean to piss anybody off -- this is just stuff I think!

As for a couple of points:

1. You know, as much as I dislike certain things Rob Liefeld has done with this industry, I won't lie: He deserves credit for what he brought to Hawk & Dove back in the 80s. He, along with the Kesels, took a concept that no one seemed to have any interest in reading and did some good things with it.

I believe Sterling Gates is a good writer -- I mean that. I think that guy is good. I'll be honest: I could see myself buying Hawk & Dove, is Gates is killing it on this book. I could totally see myself doing it, because I do like Hank Hall and Dawn Granger as characters/concepts. If Liefeld wasn't on it, I'd probably buy the first issue, but I do have to see how the storyline shakes out so I can get a feel for how involved he is in the creative process.

2. I will curl myself up into a little ball and cry uncontrollably if DC gives Hawkman a resurrection theme. As Coyle said, if ever a character's history NEVER needs to be used again, it's Hawkman's.

3. I actually think, if Judd Winick is on his game, that Bat-wing could be a good book. I know, I know. But Winick has ability...and there are storylines that can be pursued when you don't have the constraints of working in Gotham or Metropolis...man, it could be good.

4. I sense great anger in BlueStreak today. :-D

by **Cat-Scratch** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:18 pm

GLX wrote:
It might be enjoyable, but Batwing is a hard sell.

I'd have preferred Nightrunner of all those Batman INC characters.

by **Cat-Scratch** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:34 pm

Timbales wrote:Firestorm looks fucking awful. The costume designs are horrible.

This.

by **BlueStreak** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:38 pm

It's not as much anger as it is shock and mild annoyance about the amount of hyperbole, delusions of grandeur and the ridiculous sense of entitlement that some people have displayed about his whole DC relaunch.

I mean, am I pissed that they aren't using the relaunch to bring back the REAL Hal Jordan AKA AIrwave, but you don't see me threatening to paint New York City's streets red with the blood of DC editorial staff until I get it. (Actual quote from another site, BTW)

by **Chesscub** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:40 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:
I'd have preferred Nightrunner of all those Batman INC characters.

The Nightrunner story was pretty darn cool.

by **False Prophet** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:41 pm

I'm boycotting sex until Bloodwynd and Maxima are returned to their rightful place in the JLA.

by **BlueStreak** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:46 pm

False Prophet wrote:I'm boycotting sex until Bloodwynd and Maxima are returned to their rightful place in the JLA.

I'm personally done with DC until they guarantee that my great-grandson will be the next Larry Bird and provide me with photographic proof that it's true.

I also refuse to say the word Batman until they restore the REAL version of Batman, who had no problem carrying a gun and killing people for no reason.

I also will only call Wonder Woman the Fakazon in resulting paragraphs until they restore Wonder Woman to the actual historical standard of an Amazons, which is naked and missing their left breast.

Also, until the Superman rights are legally restored to the rightful owners, the dread Cthulhu, I will take my black permanent marker and cross out any Superman symbols that I come across, even if its tattooed on the bicep of Shaqiuelle O'Neal. I will then sue DC when Shaq puts me in the hospital for causing this situation.

by **Chesscub** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:49 pm

False Prophet wrote:I'm boycotting sex until Bloodwynd and Maxima are returned to their rightful place in the JLA.

And your right hand cries itself to sleep because of that decision.

by **bkthomson** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:57 pm

I just have to see what DC does with it all. I've express my concerns on the podcast but I am also very excited to see what comes out of all this. Right now DC needs to get through convention season unscratched promoting why what is going to happen September is a good thing. That will very hard to do since there will be, like it or not, very angry fans, though I do not see any effigies burning of Didio at Comic-Con.

If one thing I learned from the last Doom Patrol series is that DC books take time to warm up and find its groove. So right now I'm commit to the 52 titles for at least a year. (That and I'm a comic book whore.)

by **ElijahSnowFan** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:00 pm

BlueStreak wrote:It's not as much anger as it is shock and mild annoyance about the amount of hyperbole, delusions of grandeur and the ridiculous sense of entitlement that some people have displayed about his whole DC relaunch.

I mean, am I pissed that they aren't using the relaunch to bring back the REAL Hal Jordan AKA AIrwave, but you don't see me threatening to paint New York City's streets red with the blood of DC editorial staff until I get it. (Actual quote from another site, BTW)

Oh, man -- AIRWAVE got that amount of rage? Seriously? AIRWAVE?!?!

:smt005

by **Stalzer2002** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:07 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:2. I will curl myself up into a little ball and cry uncontrollably if DC gives Hawkman a resurrection theme. As Coyle said, if ever a character's history NEVER needs to be used again, it's Hawkman's.

But I'm not about some obsessive nerd need to tie in every story published in the Golden Age. I'm talking about historical stories. With the reincarnation angle you could do stories about him dueling the Red Baron over the skies of Europe or marching with Hannibal against Rome or struggling against American expansion with Sitting Bull. You could mine world history for stories for decades. That would be way more interesting than "space cop stranded on Earth."

by **bkthomson** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:09 pm

Stalzer2002 wrote:
But I'm not about some obsessive nerd need to tie in every story published in the Golden Age. I'm talking about historical stories. With the reincarnation angle you could do stories about him dueling the Red Baron over the skies of Europe or marching with Hannibal against Rome or struggling against American expansion with Sitting Bull. You could mine world history for stories for decades. That would be way more interesting than "space cop stranded on Earth."

Which is the opposite of Adam Strange on Rann.