Advertisement

5 Things I Think I Know: The "There Can Be Only One" Edition

[ Facebook comments]

Discuss the latest comic book news, read previews and reviews of upcoming and recent comic books, talk about comics, vote on your favorites, and more!

Hey you! Reader! Want to be a part of the GREATEST COMIC BOOK AND GEEK COMMUNITY on the web?! Logged in users see WAY LESS ADS, so why not register? It's fast and it's easy, like your mom! Sign up today! Membership spots are limited!*

*Membership spots not really limited!

LOLtron
User avatar
YOU WILL NEED A NURSE
 
Posts: 19800
Joined: Mon May 18, 2009 2:54 pm


5 Things I Think I Know: The "There Can Be Only One" Edition

Postby LOLtron » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:00 am

ElijahSnowFan channels his inner Highlander in this week's Five Things I Think I Know!


 The Long and Winding Preamble
"The long and winding road
That leads to your door
Will never disappear
I've seen that road before
It always leads me here
Lead me to your door." -- The Beatles, "The Long & Winding Road"

Well, well. With that classic opening about existential travel as the open, where, or where, Faithful Reader, is "5 Things" taking you in this week's journey?

To the sad state known as Regret, where the forecast is cloudy and somber. A place where closure is yearned for by all, but rarely received by any.

Yes, it's time to loop back to what DC's doing this fall...and how, upon reflection, I wish DC was going...farther. Because "5 Things" prefers scorched earth over bouquets of flowers, I actually wish DC really was wiping the slate clean, ending the current continuity of every character and franchise they are currently publishing, and starting all 52 books with no backstory whatsoever.

Why would I want to do that? Why toss aside all of the fine work Grant Morrison has done with Batman, or Geoff Johns with Green Lantern, and so forth?

Because, once, just once, when a comics line goes through a reboot, it would be nice to see those final battles that, in some cases, we've waited decades to see...but never have. For all those years of waiting, where the heroes and villains have seen that proverbial road before, knowing it leads them to the same old door, it would be nice to finally throw it open and see what happens.

Superman vs. Lex Luthor. Batman vs. The Joker. Green Lantern vs. Sinestro. Flash II vs. Captain Cold.

Deathstroke vs. the Titans. Captain Marvel vs. Black Adam. Wonder Woman vs. Cheetah.

Despero vs. the Justice League. Vandal Savage and Solomon Grundy and the Injustice Society vs. Alan Scott and Jay Garrick and the Justice Society. And so on, and so forth.

Yes, it would be weird, with having all of these franchises winding down at the same time, all of them having "The Battle to End All Battles" as the end to their respective books.

But think of the storytelling potential. Since we all know that many, if not all, of these characters/concepts/franchises will return at some point, think of the kinds of stories readers could've gotten.

Again, stop and think for a second. If you had one last sequence of issues for a franchise, think of the stories we could've gotten.

Make no mistake: It could have been epic.

For myself, that's what I regret most about this reboot. Not what is to come -- being an adult, being pragmatic, means that I know this about the upcoming 52 relaunches: Some will fail. Some will succeed. Some will surprise. Some will disappoint. wash, rinse, repeat. We can, and will, discuss later the "why" behind all of those things happening, but we already know each of those things will happen.

Why this matters to me at all is because, as an unabashed fan of DC's Animated Universe that came to a close with the final airing of "Justice League Unlimited," I realize the power of seeing the final battle.

For instance, who wasn't totally freaked out in "Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker," the final battle between Batman and the Joker was recounted? How utterly creepy Tim Drake was after the Joker tortured him in Arkham? How brutal that final confrontation was?

Or, in the "Justice League Unlimited" episode "Wake the Dead," when a chaos-magic enraged Solomon Grundy had to be put down? How Grundy, who was nothing more than a vessel of rage, still evoked pity just before Shayera would've given the killing blow?

Or, after years/episodes of torment by Darkseid, Superman and the God of Evil finally got it on for what certainly felt like the final time in the second season premeire of "Justice League"? You know the one: The sequence so powerful that Bruce Freaking Timm decided to storyboard it himself. Who didn't get chills when Darkseid stepped on Kal-El's head and told him that he belonged beneath his heel? Only for Superman to blow a hole through it with his heat vision? A battle that ended with Darkseid calling Superman, "Loser" -- before being blown into atoms?

Or the best of them all: When Brainiac and Luthor merged at the end of the war with Project Cadmus, with the earth about to be assimilated, when the Flash had one of the single coolest sequences I've ever seen in animation, when he literally pulled all of the Dark Heart/Brainiac shell out of Luthor?

See, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I, as a reader, would've wanted to see, just this once. If DC had chosen to give us a totally clean slate with the reboot, we still could've had a younger Hal Jordan and a revamped Superman and so on and so forth. Those things would've been available, and the stories told would not have been severely impacted -- for instance, if you ended this volume of Green Lantern, would anybody have wept if we never saw Parallax again?

Doubtful.

So, with that in mind, wishing DC would've ended this era of comics with some final showdowns, "5 Things I Think I Know" counts down which showdowns I would've most liked to have seen...and how I would've liked to have seen them go down. (Obviously, most of them are above, but still...)

"5 Things I Think I Know," The "There Can Be Only One" Edition

5. "This is for sleeping with a teenager, you a-hole!": Ah, yes. Deathstroke vs. the Titans, to the death. Look, people. We can go round and round about it, but let's be honest: There is blood between these two, and scores absolutely needed to be settled in this one. I mean, seriously: How in the hell do you let Slade Wilson walk around, knowing your secret identities, after "The Judas Contract?" That was about as foul as it gets, people. Yeah, we can go into revisionist history and talk about how crazy Terra was, but let's not forget the reason Deathstroke even took on the Titans was because the first Ravager, his son, failed in his contract to terminate the team -- a failure that cost him his life. Again, for emphasis: There is blood between Deathstroke and the Titans. That one needed to be settled, and if it was, I could see Deathstroke killing half the damn team, if not more -- as much as I hate to admit it, Slade Wilson has always been freaking tough, and if it got down to it, not all of the Titans would walk away. At all.

4. "Now you know who's the greatest Green Lantern of them all!": Hey, I already know this one already happened...but to me, it doesn't count because Hal Jordan was crazy as hell. No, people, this one needed to be settled in the here and now, with Hal Jordan still hella pissed that Sinestro turned Parallax loose in the first place. I mean, seriously...just look at everything Sinestro's done since "Rebirth." He's got a corps. Hal Jordan's a member of a corps. As always, "The Highlander Rule" applies: There can be only one. And to be honest? I don't KNOW that Hal Jordan should've survived. Maybe Sinestro really was the greatest Green Lantern of them all. Maybe his will was greater than Hal Jordan's. Here's what I know: I'd like to find out.

3. "My God...you really can't be saved.": You know, as it became clear that DC's collective creator-crush on Black Adam meant that Captain Marvel was never going to be an equal, I grew more and more angry. Why? Because Black Adam wasn't some "antihero." He was a killer. Pure and simple. They kept trying to make it seem like there was some flawed nobility there, but the long and winding road always took Black Adam back to where he was before: killing and killing and killing. It would've been nice to finally have Billy Batson regain his powers, recognize that Black Adam was NEVER going to change, and then, those two needed to punch each other to solve the world's problems. Maybe Billy survives. Maybe he doesn't. But that battle between innocence and hope versus evil and rage needed to be fought...and sadly, it likely never will be.

2. "Why, Luthor? Why?": Oh, yes. The Man of Steel finally needs to come to grips with the fact that Lex Luthor is a mad dog when it comes to him. Luthor needed to come to grips that Clark Kent was Superman, and he needed to kill EVERYBODY who ever knew that. And then, the final battle should've taken place. Hey, I know how this one turns out: The Big Blue Boy Scout's walking away in that one. But boy, I would've liked to have seen how we got there. Wouldn't you, Faithful Reader?

1. "Laugh, damn you! LAUGH! HaHaHaHaHa!!!!!": Batman vs. The Joker. The Final Battle. Written by either Grant Morrison or Alan Moore or Paul Dini. Yeah, I readily acknowledge I saw it in animation. But I absolutely would not have minded seeing it in narrative form. No more need be said, right? Needs to happen. Truly, it does. The Joker...has much to answer for.

So, what final battles would you like to have seen? I'd love to know! As always, I appreciate you taking the time to read "5 Things," and I'll try to be better next week!

Written or Contributed by: ElijahSnowFan


http://173.199.169.70/index.php/columns/five-things-i-think-i-know/14612-5-things-i-think-i-know-the-there-can-be-only-one-edition.html/
Last edited by LOLtron on Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:40 am, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: JFusion Discussion Bot UPDATE
Image

Advertisement

mrorangesoda
User avatar
FROGMAN
 
Posts: 8675
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:20 am
Title: Be the leaf


Re: 5 Things I Think I Know: The

Postby mrorangesoda » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:43 am

#1 is in Dark Knight Returns.
#2 is basically in All Star Superman, but I don't think Superman can have a "final battle" where he realizes he has to take someone out with anyone. He's too good. If Superman actually gave up on the belief that Luthor might ever do some good, he'd be much less super. Even in All Star, there's a throwaway line by Lois about Luthor that makes you realize that Superman won (and is where the Leo Quintum theory reaches back around).

I'd be fine seeing the other three, though I think it's more satisfying to see these things "out of continuity"/in animation as monthly comics from the big two have trained us to never believe the finality of anything- especially character deaths. It may take a decade or two, but things will eventually loop back around.

chap22
User avatar
YOU WILL NEED A NURSE
 
Posts: 20714
Joined: Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:08 pm
Location: Missi-by God-ssippi, a.k.a. Chapveria
Title: Pretentious curmudgeon


Online


Re: 5 Things I Think I Know: The

Postby chap22 » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:44 am

honestly, by this point in time, i'd be much more interested in a Jim Gordon/Joker final battle than i would be in a Batman/Joker one. you want to talk about there being blood somewhere...that's it, brother. he put a daughter in a wheelchair and a wife in the ground. payback is long overdue.
Image
rdrsfn82 wrote:Chap is right.

john lewis wrote:I got nothing but respect for [Chap]

jsalwen wrote:You're the man, Chap.

DMM wrote:Chap knows what he's talking about.

MoneyMelon wrote:chap is right about pretty much everything

GOSD wrote:chap FTW!

Ntikrst wrote:Chap's right

oogy wrote:All those quotes in your sig ain't lying.

Jubilee
User avatar
Review Grouper
 
Posts: 20729
Joined: Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:40 am
Formerly: Twigglet


Re: 5 Things I Think I Know: The

Postby Jubilee » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:49 am

It's so sad how the comics never finish. One of the main reasons they're in such a crappy state.
You don't have to like me
You don't have to respect me
But you will LISTEN to me.
-----
Always Right

superfictious
User avatar
Zombie Guard
 
Posts: 9523
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:38 pm
Title: your mom's veiny buttplug


Re: 5 Things I Think I Know: The

Postby superfictious » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:56 am

Love the article, man.

5. Which version of the Titans? If you want to do it right, have Deathstroke kill most of the teens, setting up the showdown with the twenty-somethings. Hell, the "Death of our children" story could be the catalyst for the entire relaunch.

4. There never should've been any story throwing doubt as to Sinestro being the best GL ever. Sinestro should be one of those Darkseid, once-in-a-half-decade threats whose only weaknesses are his arrogance and his yellow ring.

3. This taking place in the Middle East with an impending nuclear war or War of the Gods backdrop. Epic.

2. I'll agree with mrorangesoda about ASS. But if you tie it with the death of the Teen Titans with Superboy being a guilt-ridden survivor finally susceptible to Lex's influence, there could be a nice Superman family vs. Luthor family battle.

1. As long as the story opens with the Joker's systematic crippling of Cass and Steph, to sate Zech's unquenchable bloodlust, hell yeah. Or have Jason Todd finally kill Joker and someway become him...

Juan Cena
User avatar
DANG!
 
Posts: 29868
Joined: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:03 pm
Location: Nacirema
Title: The Lyrical Peyton Manning


Re: 5 Things I Think I Know: The

Postby Juan Cena » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:38 am

In a perfect world, the final Batman vs. Joker fight would end with Oracle shooting Joker in the in the head. Or the b@lls. Just saying.
Image

"I have my heroes, but no one knows their names"
- Sons of the Desert

Strict31 wrote:I'm not sure that combining the nigh-uncontrollable power of LOLtron with the Nacireman is a good idea. Some years from now, when mankind is on the verge of extinction, we'll be able to look back and remember this moment, and say, "DANG."


http://www.shirtswithrandomtriangles.com/

Check out Christmas in Nacirema
http://www.pandora.com/?sc=sh619160960893481469&shareImp=true#!/stations/play/619160960893481469

Juan Cena
User avatar
DANG!
 
Posts: 29868
Joined: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:03 pm
Location: Nacirema
Title: The Lyrical Peyton Manning


Re: 5 Things I Think I Know: The

Postby Juan Cena » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:41 am

At some point, DC should have solved the Slade/Terra thing by having Slade tell the Titans that Tara wasn't actually a teenager at the time. Which would make sense logically.
Image

"I have my heroes, but no one knows their names"
- Sons of the Desert

Strict31 wrote:I'm not sure that combining the nigh-uncontrollable power of LOLtron with the Nacireman is a good idea. Some years from now, when mankind is on the verge of extinction, we'll be able to look back and remember this moment, and say, "DANG."


http://www.shirtswithrandomtriangles.com/

Check out Christmas in Nacirema
http://www.pandora.com/?sc=sh619160960893481469&shareImp=true#!/stations/play/619160960893481469

superfictious
User avatar
Zombie Guard
 
Posts: 9523
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:38 pm
Title: your mom's veiny buttplug


Re: 5 Things I Think I Know: The

Postby superfictious » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:41 am

The Nacireman wrote:In a perfect world, the final Batman vs. Joker fight would end with Oracle shooting Joker in the in the head. Or the b@lls. Just saying.


Or after expensive surgeries, months of physical therapy, and magical intervention, Babs goes for her first jog in a decade and a drunk Joker accidentally runs over her in his purple van and finally stays in jail because of a DUI.

sdsichero
User avatar
2k11 Outhouse People's Champion
 
Posts: 61184
Joined: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:25 pm
Location: Secret Base, Honolulu, HI
Title: 直接! Chokusetsu!
Formerly: beta-ray


Re: 5 Things I Think I Know: The

Postby sdsichero » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:48 am

Read more manga. Oftentimes things end there.

SilverPhoenix
User avatar
Staff Writer
 
Posts: 1630
Joined: Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:28 pm
Title: Harbinger of the Ponypocalyse
Formerly: Lord Solaris, Discord


Re: 5 Things I Think I Know: The

Postby SilverPhoenix » Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:42 pm

False Prophet wrote:1. As long as the story ends with the Joker and Bruce Wayne settling their blood feud with both of them being taken off the map forever, hell yeah. Grant Morrison had it right when he said that Xavier and Magneto both needed to be taken off the field for the next act of X-Men to truly begin and the same logic applies here. If you really want to see how compelling and downright scary Gotham's new generation of crazies would be, you need to let the two original lynchpins go.


Edited for how SilverPhoenix would do things.

Royal Nonesuch
Staff Writer
 
Posts: 14080
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:48 pm


Re: 5 Things I Think I Know: The

Postby Royal Nonesuch » Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:50 pm

If you're looking for any finality in comics, you're not going to find it in any of the Marvel and DC corporate-owned trademarked franchises. Why would you even look for it there?
The witness said Mr Brown then called out to Ms Hay's adult daughter: "Look at this, I'm tittie-f***ing your mother!".

Jude Terror 12:19 AM
I put my dick in one of the bagels once.

Zechs
User avatar
Staff Writer
 
Posts: 41094
Joined: Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:10 pm
Location: From Parts Unknown
Title: Deposted Despot
Formerly: Blight, Deacon Frost, Heinrich Himmler of S_D


Re: 5 Things I Think I Know: The

Postby Zechs » Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:51 pm

chap22 wrote:honestly, by this point in time, i'd be much more interested in a Jim Gordon/Joker final battle than i would be in a Batman/Joker one. you want to talk about there being blood somewhere...that's it, brother. he put a daughter in a wheelchair and a wife in the ground. payback is long overdue.


And now watch he has something to do with his son.
Image
Image



sdsichero wrote:
I especially like and admire Zechs. He's everything I wish I could be!

Dragavon wrote:Zechs... is...

Zechs...is...

I can't say it. It's too horrible. Zechs...is...not...wrong...

leave a comment with facebook


Return to The News Stand



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: A.R.P., e_galston, Grayson, Lord Ice and 51 guests

Advertisement