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Review Group Week #283: Red Wing #1

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Re: Review Group Week #283: Red Wing #1

Postby Stephen Day » Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:27 pm

Unfortunately my LCS didn't have a copy of this, so I can't participate this week. :(
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Re: Review Group Week #283: Red Wing #1

Postby Chris » Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:47 pm

Comic_Doctor wrote:Sounds like this book is done by a poor man's Grant Morrison and a poor man's Frank Quitely.

Fairly acurate, I'd say (no offense to the creators).


Grant Morrison is a poor man's Grant Morrison these days.
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Re: Review Group Week #283: Red Wing #1

Postby Eli Katz » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:45 pm

Kerny wrote:The Red Wing 1

This seems like a movie-ready concept now. I don't get the complaints that this was hard to follow, at all. I liked the concept. Wars being fought in time, spaceships flying with dinosaurs, that's cool stuff, combined with the human element of the missing father. The execution did not blow me away however. I put this mostly on the design elements. I think the future and time traveling ships should be depicted a lot cooler and futureistic The style is Quitely-lite, and I love Quitely, but I'd much prefer the original thing. Not the worst comic I read in my shipment, but not the best either. I think I'll check out the trade

Score 6

No one in the RG has made this complaint.

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Re: Review Group Week #283: Red Wing #1

Postby Kerny » Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:01 pm

Eli Katz wrote:No one in the RG has made this complaint.


Really? Perhaps I was just recalling those comments from eltopo's SHIELD thread or other Hickman books and applied it here. Oh well

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Re: Review Group Week #283: Red Wing #1

Postby Punchy » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:06 am

I didn't think the art looked like Quitely at all :smt102

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Re: Review Group Week #283: Red Wing #1

Postby Eli Katz » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:58 pm

What, no additional reviews? The RG sucks. I hold John Snow responsible.

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Re: Review Group Week #283: Red Wing #1

Postby GLX » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:22 pm

Red Wing #1 may place ideas over characters, but the ideas are pretty damn good. The idea of a war being waged through time is a cool one. Not only can enemies be destroyed through physical confrontation, but also through cultural manipulation. Some might label it Jonathan Hickman's script as "out there" or "pretentious, but I see it as fresh and bold. Nick Pitarra's art, with the help of Rachel Rosenberg, is easy on the eyes, While some feel that his art is reminiscent of Frank Quitely, it reminds me of Moebius' work. There's one amazing page where a Red Wing pilot gets obliterated after a fatal crash. The progression from each stage of the pilot until his demise is something to behold. I'm on for the rest of the mini-series.

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Re: Review Group Week #283: Red Wing #1

Postby Punchy » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:48 am

The Red Wing #1(of 4) - 'Learning To Fly' - Hickman, Pitarra and Rosenberg

Story - Time-Travel may make no sense whatsoever and most of the ideas about causality and paradoxes fall apart when under the slightest scrutiny, but nevertheless, it's one of my favourite genres of science fiction stories. I love it all, Back To The Future, Doctor Who, Booster Gold, LOST Season 5, anything with Time-Travel in it? I'm down for it. So when it was announced that Jonathan 'Hicklash' Hickman would be writing a Time-Travel war story, I was pretty darn excited.

But now that it's here, I'm conflicted, I liked some of it, I liked it on a surface level, but it also felt empty, hollow and a bit of a nothing story (I realise those pretty much mean the same thing, but whatever, rule of threes!).

What I liked was the visual element of the story, a lot of this is down to the art of Nick Pitarra (of whom more of later), but also the design of the spaceships (or timeships) and the spacestation (or timestation) that our two heroes visit. It was all very Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica, at least visually. The TAC ship is probably the best looking spaceship since the Viper Mark II in the new BSG, it just looks cool. That and the idea of a war throughout time is just fucking genius.

But after that, it all falls apart. There's the usual Hickman science-speak (although I did like how one character just went 'blah blah blah' instead, I'm pretty sure you could replace every line in SHIELD with blah blah blah and the series would be the same) which at this point you either love or hate, and I'm more towards the hatred side. Then there's the totally vanilla characters, I can't even remember their names, do they even have names? Hickman seems to be unable to write interesting new characters anymore, Leonid from SHIELD is literally the worst, and these two guys are nothings, they are shells. Hickman hangs some rudimentary 'missing daddy' stuff on them, but whatever, who cares.

We also have no idea what the whole 'Time-War' is about, who are these people fighting? Other people? Aliens? Maybe this will be answered in later issues, but for now it's pointless, for all we know our heroes could be the bad guys.

This is a comic that is fairly typical of Hickman, it that its all surface with little underneath. Yes, the image of space fighters flying alongside Pterodactyls is exhilarating and great, but beyond the purely visual... there's not much here. I like a Time-Travel story, but I need more than just the concept, I need to care.

Art - A lot of people are saying that Pitarra's art reminded them of Frank Quitely, and I'm just not seeing it. I think Pitarra has a style of his own, and it works really well for this comic. He's required to draw a lot of stuff, in the far future and the distant past, and make them all look unified and part of a consistent universe, and he does so brilliantly. I also liked some of his more experimental layouts, the page with the infuriatingly pretentious 'this is how we lost the 21st century' caption was brilliantly drawn. Even if this comic is mostly empty, at least Pitarra is there to give it some depth.

Best Line - 'Blah blah blah'

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Re: Review Group Week #283: Red Wing #1

Postby 3MJ » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:55 am

I'm going to have to leave the review group for now people. Now I'm in my home town for summer there is no where to get comics1

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Re: Review Group Week #283: Red Wing #1

Postby Victorian Squid » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:15 pm

Eli Katz wrote:What, no additional reviews? The RG sucks. I hold John Snow responsible.


Plus me, I got cranky at the RG. I'll try to post a review for this and/or Hex later, is there a pick for this week? I haven't read this whole thread.

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Re: Review Group Week #283: Red Wing #1

Postby Punchy » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:17 pm

Asmodeus Jones wrote:
Plus me, I got cranky at the RG. I'll try to post a review for this and/or Hex later, is there a pick for this week? I haven't read this whole thread.


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Re: Review Group Week #283: Red Wing #1

Postby Royal Nonesuch » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:36 pm

Eli Katz wrote:What, no additional reviews? The RG sucks. I hold John Snow responsible.


Jerks!! :x
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Re: Review Group Week #283: Red Wing #1

Postby ****** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:51 pm

Eli Katz wrote:What, no additional reviews? The RG sucks. I hold John Snow responsible.


I'll get to it when I get to it. :x :x :x

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Re: Review Group Week #283: Red Wing #1

Postby ****** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:53 pm

Where's our pretend tyrant? Do I need to start the thread for him? Yes, I suppose I do. :smt011

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Re: Review Group Week #283: Red Wing #1

Postby BlueStreak » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:55 pm

Shit. It's Wednesday, isn't it.
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