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by **Punchy** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:10 pm

Thundercats and He-Man have always been pretty similar though.

by **covalesky** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:22 pm

Punchy wrote:Thundercats and He-Man have always been pretty similar though.

Thundercat's gayness level is nowhere near He-man's

by **Jack Burton** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:24 pm

e_galston wrote:
it got cancelled if i remember right because Toy sales weren't good. I don't know how much it had to do with ratings... I know the comic series that was made in conjunction with that series was cancelled because Mattel wouldn't give the creators the rights to use certain characters.

That and Crossgen was publishing the book and when they crashed they left Val Stalpes the writer up to his eyeballs in debt. He had to sell of a lot of his things and work his ass off to pay off the creators he owed money to.

Val Staples in the anti-PaT Lee.

by **e_galston** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:29 pm

Jack Burton wrote:
That and Crossgen was publishing the book and when they crashed they left Val Stalpes the writer up to his eyeballs in debt. He had to sell of a lot of his things and work his ass off to pay off the creators he owed money too.

Val Staples in the anti-PaT Lee.

that did happen, but it went to Image after the crossgen collapse. I know they wanted to add the Horde and She-Ra but Mattel said no

by **Zechs** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:45 pm

e_galston wrote:
that did happen, but it went to Image after the crossgen collapse. I know they wanted to add the Horde and She-Ra but Mattel said no

The 2k3 He-Man series had Hordak and the Horde in it. If the series had a third season then She-Ra would have been in it. :-(

by **xaraan** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:56 pm

Just caught the premiere yesterday and thought it was pretty damn good. I'm gonna have to set up the DVR for this show.

When Lion-O's balls dropped and he finally did the "thunder thunder THUNDER THUNDERCATS HOOOOO!" deal it was pretty awesome

by **e_galston** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:06 pm

Zechs wrote:
The 2k3 He-Man series had Hordak and the Horde in it. If the series had a third season then She-Ra would have been in it.

And they tried to continue it in the comics, but mattel cock blocked them every time they wanted to use a character. They were told they could only use characters who were on the cartoon, and they couldn't create new characters, and they couldn't bring in anyone who wasn't on the show. So it made it very hard to continue the storyline they wanted to tell.

by **Miracloman** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:14 pm

mrorangesoda wrote:
I loved that. Very "this has all happened before" kind of thing.

I really enjoyed the premier and am looking forward to more episodes. I was bummed when it ended, so I may try to forget about the show for a month and bank up some episodes to watch all at once.

The only flaw I could find with the premier is that the plot went a little too fast.Personally would have liked the writers had played more with some plot elements like Tygra's hero worship for Crune and his sibling rivalry with Lion-O.

by **sdsichero** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:17 pm

covalesky wrote:
Thundercat's gayness level is nowhere near He-man's

Yeah, they are more for furry lovers.

by **Strict31** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:22 pm

Miracloman wrote:
The only flaw I could find with the premier is that the plot went a little too fast.Personally would have liked the writers had played more with some plot elements like Tygra's hero worship for Crune and his sibling rivalry with Lion-O.

I didn't think they really needed to go into that more than they did. It was a very familiar story concept that has been done to death a thousand times in other stories, and I think the writers realized we're already familiar enough with the trope.

This realization was cemented for me when I determined that Tygra couldn't have been of the bloodline, but was more of a Jon Snow type. And then, ten minutes later, the story essentially confirmed that. Any more time spent on that in the premiere would have been wasted on stuff we are already smart enough to figure out.

But if they don't revisit the specific dynamics of these things in later episodes, then yeah, it could become an oversight.

by **doombug** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:24 pm

I really liked it!

by **e_galston** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:28 pm

Strict31 wrote:
I didn't think they really needed to go into that more than they did. It was a very familiar story concept that has been done to death a thousand times in other stories, and I think the writers realized we're already familiar enough with the trope.

This realization was cemented for me when I determined that Tygra couldn't have been of the bloodline, but was more of a Jon Snow type. And then, ten minutes later, the story essentially confirmed that. Any more time spent on that in the premiere would have been wasted on stuff we are already smart enough to figure out.

But if they don't revisit the specific dynamics of these things in later episodes, then yeah, it could become an oversight.

I'm sure as things move forward they will revisit the dynamic between Lion-O and Tygra. yeah things happened pretty quickly, but they had like 45 minutes to set up the entire concept of the series, and have lion-o become lord of the thundercats. one needed to care about lion-o and be sympathetic to him so that when claudis died people cared about Lion-O.

by **Miracloman** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:32 pm

Strict31 wrote:
I didn't think they really needed to go into that more than they did. It was a very familiar story concept that has been done to death a thousand times in other stories, and I think the writers realized we're already familiar enough with the trope.

This realization was cemented for me when I determined that Tygra couldn't have been of the bloodline, but was more of a Jon Snow type. And then, ten minutes later, the story essentially confirmed that. Any more time spent on that in the premiere would have been wasted on stuff we are already smart enough to figure out.

But if they don't revisit the specific dynamics of these things in later episodes, then yeah, it could become an oversight.

That is a good point.
Speaking of Tygra's bloodline I wonder if he is a bastard son or if he a stepson of Claudius.

by **e_galston** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:37 pm

I don't think that Tygra is a blood relative of him at all, just someone he took in, maybe the son of a fallen comrade or something... kind of like Morgana is Uther's "ward" in Merlin, she's not really his daughter but he thinks of her like one, and Arthur and her were raised as siblings

by **Strict31** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:41 pm

Miracloman wrote:
That is a good point.
Speaking of Tygra's bloodline I wonder if he is a bastard son or if he a stepson of Claudius.

It might be interesting if they get deeper into the concept of "breeding true."

It seems like all the nobles or important members of society can be directly identified by a breed of great cat. Tigers, lions, cheetahs, etc. But the average citizen, even those in the underbelly of society, they seem to be "mutts" for a lack of a better word. The domestic cats that have been interbred for so long that they've lost much of their breed distinctiveness.

Maybe Tygra comes from a family that was all killed and Lion-O's pops took him in. Or maybe his family was a rival bloodline that was eliminated by Lion-O's dad, and in a moment of mercy, took Tygra in as an baby.

Maybe that's putting too sophisticated a spin on a show meant to be enjoyed by kids and adults. But it would be interesting to see if there's some intent there by the writers.