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[CountD]

you gotta hustle in this world

[AaronW]

The Lord of the Monkeys' wife is a social worker, and I can tell you for a fact you are absolutely correct, at least as far as that field goes.

I can only imagine the pain of getting a Masters in social work based on loans only to find out you aren't going to make shit for the most part and owe so much money.

[AaronW]

Until we start stringing up the bankers who run this nation and burning their homes down nothing will change.

[Lord Simian]

I can only imagine the pain of getting a Masters in social work based on loans only to find out you aren't going to make shit for the most part and owe so much money.

Indeed. She has the bachelors, and has a good job, but the really good jobs in the field (read: the ones that don't involve working one on one with adult addicts or juvenile offenders!) require that masters.

[Royal Nonesuch]

There are different types of people and learners, and I'm glad for my college education, but it can't be seen as the only thing anymore. The paradigm where you go to college, get a job, work there for forty years, retire, then they'll take care of you with a pension, etc. doesn't exist anymore. In a way, we're still in the mentality and for a lot of people, it just doesn't work.

I don't think we should give up on higher education, but "higher education" needs to encompass more than just college.

[jeremy]

Let's face it. Going to college just puts people in more debt than they should be in and it doesn't ensure a good job like it use too. Does the way we pursue education have to change? The way companies higher employees? Should we go back to an apprenticeship with out having to focus on classes that most will never need nor use?

Agreed.

Sure there are jobs that if people want to get into are going to need college (and more) but I've known too many people that went to school and got degrees in psychology or business just to have a degree. I'd rather have someone with job experience than someone that just went through the steps to get some sort of degree just to say they are a college grad. any day.

[Potter Who]

Agreed.

Sure there are jobs that if people want to get into are going to need college (and more) but I've known too many people that went to school and got degrees in psychology or business just to have a degree. I'd rather have someone with job experience than someone that just went through the steps to get some sort of degree just to say they are a college grad. any day.

It's a circle. Other people might agree that job experience is more important than a 4-year degree, but for many people, it doens't quite matter because it's so hard to get meaningful job experience without the 4-year degree.

[superfictious]

I know internships are highly encouraged in the math, science, and engineering fields, but what about elsewhere?

I also wish more departments would strongly encourage their students to take practical business classes. There's nothing wrong with going into business for yourself if there aren't openings elsewhere.

[Thor-El]

I don't believe that at all. And some people are capable of growing up way before college. And vice versa some who go to college never grow up.

Absolutely agree. I know people that went to college and did nothing but waste time and money, and work at Wal-Mart, comicbook stores, and movie theaters now. On the other hand I also know people that never went to school, that have real job skills that they use to make more than a healthy living.

[The Juan Percenter]

I think people are going to start taking a harder look at education spending as we begin the descent into another recession this week. Which makes me sad, to be honest.

[Potter Who]

I think people are going to start taking a harder look at education spending as we begin the descent into another recession this week. Which makes me sad, to be honest.

We're in tough times, but basically the entire federal budget is for defense, entitlements, and education. And education is the one that is more about the long term. And you're right to be sad, because long term investment in human capital development is probably most important to the long term health and competitiveness of our country.

[The Juan Percenter]

We're in tough times, but basically the entire federal budget is for defense, entitlements, and education. And education is the one that is more about the long term. And you're right to be sad, because long term investment in human capital development is probably most important to the long term health and competitiveness of our country.

Education to the government has become more about protecting teachers than educating students. The budget for the Dept of Education has grown astronomically at the same time results are way down.

[Potter Who]

Education to the government has become more about protecting teachers than educating students. The budget for the Dept of Education has grown astronomically at the same time results are way down.

In a lot of the best public school systems in the world, teachers are untouchable dictators. and while teachers unions are really messed up sometimes, motivation to learn needs to come from the household. Our country just can't seem to figure out how to educate the masses anymore. But while more money probably isn't the answer, we do have to find another way to explain why the states with the lowest education budget per student tend to have the worst performing students.

[Keb]

I think the last recession really hit education the hardest. When it first hit, governments were funding programs to send people to school for "second careers" and encouraging them to upgrade. Here, if you want to get a job making decent money, the bachelors degree might give you an edge, but if you want the competitive edge you go get your masters. Colleges have jumped on this with diploma upgrades. Once you finish your degree, you register in a diploma course and sink more money into it and that gets you into a specialized field. Only problem is that these fields aren't going anywhere. People are so scared to lose their jobs, they don't want to retire. The teaching market is so bad now because retired teachers are returning to supply teach, leaving recently graduated teachers to find jobs elsewhere.

On the flipside, I got tired of slaving at a desk with a bank so I decided to take the job I wanted to do and turn it into my own business. Don't know how successful it's going to be, but it'll pay some bills for the next couple months. The company I'm working with is specializes in a type of message and they run a school. They're making money because the RMTs who can afford to upgrade these courses want to add to their skills to have a competitive edge. Upgrading your skills has become the best thing to do during this recession. Unfortunately, it's now an industry and it's not getting any cheaper.

People are starting to look at degrees differently though. When I worked at the bank, I started to regret my degree because it wasn't doing anything for me. I made the mistake of thinking "I have a degree, I'm entitled to a good job." In reality, I have a degree, so I'm going to take the skills I've learned from it and go apply it in a way that I can make work for me.

[Rockman]

If I could do it all over again I would, but I would find whatever career path was in demand and high paying. I feel stupid paying all this money for college so I can make what I make now which is not good.