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by **Punchy** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:08 am

Rusty Kuntz wrote:The part that always gets me about how slow he is is this:

So it took him 6 years to write 100 pages?

May 2005 is before Feast came out. It came out in October of that year, so it took him 5 months to write those 100 pages.

The 6 years was the 1000 or so pages of Dance.

by **ReturnoftheMack** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:10 am

Punchy wrote:
May 2005 is before Feast came out. It came out in October of that year, so it took him 5 months to write those 100 pages.

The 6 years was the 1000 or so pages of Dance.

Ah you're right. Though looking at that same statement:

As for me, I am getting back to work. There's good news on that front too -- A DANCE WITH DRAGONS is half-done!!!

by **Punchy** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:15 am

Rusty Kuntz wrote:
I see how you left out George Lucas.

But that's my point. What does he care? He'll be dead.

Has Poe's legacy been ruined by all the Raven rewrites? Has Doyle's been ruined by all the different Sherlock Holmes? It just seems petty to me that he would say "I'm the only one who is allowed to write this."

Lucas has already pimped out Star Wars in every possible way, had loads of other people work on comics, novels and TV shows so it would be hypocritical for him to say no more. Martin hasn't done that, so it wouldn't be.

And people do care about what goes on after they die, they care about their legacy, maybe Conan Doyle would be pissed off by Guy Ritchie's Sherlock Holmes, we don't know. And how is it petty to want to be the only person who writes something you created? He created it. It's his. I think it's selfish of fans to want the story over the author.

I imagine that if he does die, he'll let the TV show carry on if it's still going, but as for someone else writing books? I doubt it, and he has every right to.

by **Lord Simian** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:17 am

Punchy wrote:I imagine that if he does die, he'll let the TV show carry on if it's still going, but as for someone else writing books? I doubt it, and he has every right to.

That depends ENTIRELY on how his contract with the publisher is structured.

And why would he let the TV show go on, but not the books? It's someone else playing in his sandbox, either way... :smt102

by **Punchy** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:20 am

Lord Simian wrote:
That depends ENTIRELY on how his contract with the publisher is structured.

And why would he let the TV show go on, but not the books? It's someone else playing in his sandbox, either way...

For the same reason he's letting the TV show happen but doesn't allow fan-fiction or other people to write the books now.

But that's just my speculation, all of this is speculation because he's not dead.

by **Lord Simian** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:22 am

Punchy wrote:
For the same reason he's letting the TV show happen but doesn't allow fan-fiction or other people to write the books now.

But that's just my speculation, all of this is speculation because he's not dead.

Ah, I misunderstood your point. I thought you meant, that since that TV show will eventually get to the point where he left off, he'd allow HBO to continue making new storylines without him.

by **Punchy** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:25 am

Lord Simian wrote:
Ah, I misunderstood your point. I thought you meant, that since that TV show will eventually get to the point where he left off, he'd allow HBO to continue making new storylines without him.

It was based on him apparently discussing details of future books with the producers during the making of Season 1, for example, he told the producers who Jon Snow's mother is.

But as I said, it's all speculation, I personally think he will finish the series before he dies, but if he doesn't, I reckon he will want it left unfinished, and would be write to. I personally don't want to read ASOIAF by another writer.

by **Lord Simian** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:29 am

Punchy wrote:
It was based on him apparently discussing details of future books with the producers during the making of Season 1, for example, he told the producers who Jon Snow's mother is.

But as I said, it's all speculation, I personally think he will finish the series before he dies, but if he doesn't, I reckon he will want it left unfinished, and would be write to. I personally don't want to read ASOIAF by another writer.

I did not know he told them that. Huh. I honestly didn't think he'd ever reveal Snow's mother.

I see what you're saying. I'm the kinda guy, however, who likes to hope for the best, and plan for the worst. If I were him, I'd want to make sure the fans who had devoted that much time to enjoying my work were given a sense of closure, so I'd go the Jordan route, and make sure someone could finish my work. You disagree, and I respect that, and we'll have to agree to disagree.

But again, depending on the wording of his contracts, what he wants and what will happen could be two different things. If the publishers thought to make sure they had a right listed in the contract to finish it should the worst happen, they'll finish it without him if need be. Especially seeing as how it didn't hurt the WoT sales when that happened at all, so they know the MONEY would be there.

by **Punchy** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:37 am

Lord Simian wrote:
I did not know he told them that. Huh. I honestly didn't think he'd ever reveal Snow's mother.

I see what you're saying. I'm the kinda guy, however, who likes to hope for the best, and plan for the worst. If I were him, I'd want to make sure the fans who had devoted that much time to enjoying my work were given a sense of closure, so I'd go the Jordan route, and make sure someone could finish my work. You disagree, and I respect that, and we'll have to agree to disagree.

But again, depending on the wording of his contracts, what he wants and what will happen could be two different things. If the publishers thought to make sure they had a right listed in the contract to finish it should the worst happen, they'll finish it without him if need be. Especially seeing as how it didn't hurt the WoT sales when that happened at all, so they know the MONEY would be there.

I think Martin has revealed the answer to several mysteries to the TV show producers so they don't hint towards the wrong thing or whatever.

I just think it would cheapen it to let someone else to write it. Closure and endings are overrated anyway.

by **Allen** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:44 am

Rusty Kuntz wrote:
That's pretty cool.

Jordan and Martin were really good friends.

As for the current debate, I think Jordan did it the best way possible. When diagnosed with his illness, he left detailed notes and outlines for whomever would continue. So basically the last three books of WoT are very true to his vision.

by **Lord Simian** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:46 am

Punchy wrote:I just think it would cheapen it to let someone else to write it. Closure and endings are overrated anyway.

Well, that's your opinion. And I am sure there are MANY MANY ASOIAF fans who would agree with you. I am sure there are just as many who would disagree. So, damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Only choice he has, I suppose, is finish it himself! :-D

by **ReturnoftheMack** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:37 am

Punchy wrote:
Lucas has already pimped out Star Wars in every possible way, had loads of other people work on comics, novels and TV shows so it would be hypocritical for him to say no more. Martin hasn't done that, so it wouldn't be.

And people do care about what goes on after they die, they care about their legacy, maybe Conan Doyle would be pissed off by Guy Ritchie's Sherlock Holmes, we don't know. And how is it petty to want to be the only person who writes something you created? He created it. It's his. I think it's selfish of fans to want the story over the author.

I imagine that if he does die, he'll let the TV show carry on if it's still going, but as for someone else writing books? I doubt it, and he has every right to.

It's not selfish of the fans. It's selfish of him.

I don't want him to die. I want him to be the only writer. But if he's worried about his legacy over giving the fans the completion of the story, well that is just the definition of selfish isn't it?

And of course it's petty of him, because no matter what, someone will continue it someday. Eventually, all his characters will be in the public domain for people to do whatever they please.

by **xaraan** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:35 pm

Punchy wrote:
I think Martin has revealed the answer to several mysteries to the TV show producers so they don't hint towards the wrong thing or whatever.

I just think it would cheapen it to let someone else to write it. Closure and endings are overrated anyway.

He revealed a few things and held a few back he has said.

I agree it would suck to not have him finish it.

It would suck more for it to never be finished. Endings are not overrated at all, they are part of the story and an important part. If you write a story building to something and never reach it then your writing falls short.

by **xaraan** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:37 pm

And besides, the way he has written the last two books I'm starting to like the idea of someone else finishing them. We wait years and years for some of the worst books in his series. If it keeps going like this I'll welcome a new writer.

by **xaraan** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:38 pm

Lord Simian wrote:
Ah, I misunderstood your point. I thought you meant, that since that TV show will eventually get to the point where he left off, he'd allow HBO to continue making new storylines without him.

They can if they want to actually.
He said he signed a standard contract with them and they can have aliens come down next season if they want to.