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by **GLX** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:38 pm

syxxpakk wrote:I spent $4 on that.

by **GHERU** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:05 pm

Always Stay Safe wrote:
$3,00 is a lot as well though. Can any other entertainment form offer so little entertainment for money spent? I complain about going to the cinema for 6.00 for an hour and a half, but it's fucking great value compared to comics.

I honestly think a DC anthology would go over great. Next month release a comic with JLA, Green Lantern and Superman #1. Or something like that. It'd be perfect.

just think about how much shit Netflix took for raising the price of, basically, unlimited entertainment for less than the price of two comics that take, at best, 10 minutes to read

and they wonder why people pirate their product

by **GHERU** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:40 pm

question

have these digital differences been major problems for other (IDW, Image, Dark Horse) same day digitals?

by **alaska1125** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:40 am

GHERU wrote:question

have these digital differences been major problems for other (IDW, Image, Dark Horse) same day digitals?

I can't say one way or the other. JL was my first same day digital. And an update later, I've got my missing "Talk in a deep voice?". Whew. Thank whatever God happens to be responsible for that...it really adds nuance I'd otherwise have missed out on.

EDIT: That was obviously pure snark on my part. I'll seek help at a later date. Carry on.

by **Juan Cena** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:03 am

False Prophet wrote:I think most people are pretty simple when it comes to trying new things. I have a feeling a new comic reader would find JL#1 a good-looking, adequate diversion. DC's not worried about long-time DC fans like me. Most of us are going to buy the comics anyway. The long-time comic reader who weren't hardcore fans of DC beforehand will have the biggest issues, but I think that's a 50-50 proposition anyway.

Either way, as long as DC actually has a vision of what they want this universe to be, I hope they stick with it. Go for a new breed of fan if you have to. You shouldn't try to hold on to the thirty-forty-fifty-somethings forever.

I'll start to believe that DC wants to get new readers when they start having creator show up at places like Barnes & Noble or Books-A-Million for appearances/signings where the actual non-comic buying public goes to shop. They should at least be doing it when the hardback versions come out.

by **eltopo** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:19 am

I finally read this last night, night not a bad issue I'll read issue two. I have to say it felt weird that this is the new continuity for DC I mean I knew that's what the new 52 was gonna be but it just felt strange that a comic where Batman meets Green lantern who than meets superman for the first time wasn't a elseworld book. But like I said it was enjoyable enough and it's caught my interest,I never buy DC books so I guess this is a triumph for DC

by **The Shadow** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:55 am

I came... I saw... I looked... I put back.

Seems I made the right decision.

by **Comic_Doctor** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:38 pm

I've avoided any threads relating to Justice League for a few days. I wanted to read the issue and write my review before I read what anyone else thought.

I'm a Marvel guy at heart. I've read lots of DC, but I read more to follow certain creators, certain characters, or stories I've heard are good (and don't tie into DC's continuity as much).

I really liked Justice League #1, but I came at it like a reader who's starting fresh, but with a small idea of who these characters are as far as power sets.

by **syxxpakk** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:47 pm

You won't hear me complain about the content, but the price is ridiculous.

by **StrifeZ** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:06 pm

As a comic fan and as a start of a new series titled justice league, Justice League #1 was good and servicable. It was way better than the last "Justice League of America #1" no doubt. Jim Lee's art was great, the dialog was sharp, and seeing n00b Green Lantern running his mouth was a treat.

But as the most important comic DC has put out in a very long time, it was the wrong story told the wrong way at the wrong time.

I can't help, when looking at "Justice League #1" published in 2011 with art by Jim Lee, see an intentional echo of another line wide revamp of another super hero franchise, also with art by Jim Lee. I am referring of course to X-Men #1. And frankly, I very simply view X-Men #1 as the "right way" to do what Justice League should have been doing.

X-Men #1 set up the players... Magneto, the X-Men, and the Acolytes. It created a high stakes situation, reaffirmed the X-Men's reason for being, and made clear the motivations of pretty much every major character. If I were getting into comic books, X-Men #1 would be the kind of story I would want to read because it had these characters who I know from other media sources up against their greatest enemy in a new-reader friendly format.

Justice League did none of that. It was a set up issue. Batman dodged some cops and he and GL fought a transforming parademon and Superman showed up at the end, the end. Was it bad? No not at all. But Justice League 1-3, because the marquee title of the DCnU, needs tight, high octane storytelling to excite new readers. What Geoff Jones delievered instead was this random slow paced introduction... a terrible mistake for a comic that got more mainstream media coverage than any comic in memory, and a comic that won't see issue #2 come out (foolishly) until October 15th or so.

How would I have done it? I would have saved the Origin Story for the 2nd arc. I also would have had be be a steak-and-potatoes Justice League (already assembled) vs Darkseid story, in four issues, released weekly over September. New reader should be eased into a month between books. Justice League #1 didn't need to be an "artsy" book that people talk about with the reverence of Watchmen. It didn't need decompressed storytelling. It needed to be a good looking (which it was) explanation of why reading comics is fun and collecting them worthwhile (it wasn't). A terrible missed opportunity in my view. The best Justice League debut is still the DCAUs.

I really hope DC makes better decisions than they did here. The opening arc and opening format and opening schedule of Justice League should have been a slam dunk - after all Jim Lee drew their obvious template. Instead, they decided to lob it in just inside the 3 point arch for some reason. Too bad.

by **superfictious** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:46 pm

I think the discussion of digital copy sales numbers was earlier in this thread. I've actually found an old retailer report that says print copies outsell digital at a ratio of 630:1. Once we get more solid print sales numbers, I'm going to do a front page report on unofficial total sales with this ratio in mind.

Also, if anyone else has any opinions on DC's day-and-digital initiative, give me a holla through PM.

edit: You know what, I'm also going to try to analyze some torrent data and see how it stacks up. I'm pretty damn sure a lot of people discussing JLA downloaded it through torrents anyway.

by **The Shadow** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:40 pm

cncoyle wrote:DC is banking that the new readers will outnumber the faithful, but will they?

Only if DC can get the new readers into the stores. I have yet to see any evidence of any attempts at attracting new readers.

by **MoneyMelon** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:41 pm

I read this yesterday.

Honestly, I think it failed to do what it should have. This really needed to be a great first issue, IMMO. They're basically launching a new DC Universe and I feel like in order to start off on the right foot, this should have been an excellent book. It wasn't.

I'm not saying it's bad, necessarily. There were a lot of aspects I like. For example, Green Lantern and Superman both asking Batman something like "so what's your superpower?". Kind of funny. I like stuff like that. And overall, I think the depiction of the characters was great. Green Lantern is young and cocky, which fits with his origins. Batman is condescending and suspicious of everyone. And Superman, while he was only really in a couple pages, came across as confident.

With that said, Cyborg is just kind of boring right now. Ok, he's unloved and desperate for his father's attention. It felt like those few pages really slowed the book down at a time when I really wanted to see more action.

The art was really nice. It's not Jim Lee's best work, but even mediocre Jim Lee art is still pretty good. And he makes those costume designs work (although I hate the knee pads on Batman).

So basically, it was a decent first issue for a "Year One" story, but nothing that really made me excited for this new DC Universe.

by **The Shadow** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:00 pm

Drcharles wrote:I particularly like the Identity Crisis period,
but....................

That's about the time Didio took over and DC started to die.

by **Arion** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:00 am

GHERU wrote:just think about how much shit Netflix took for raising the price of, basically, unlimited entertainment for less than the price of two comics that take, at best, 10 minutes to read

and they wonder why people pirate their product

You should go and talk with Marvel and DC editors.