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[GHERU]

Actually, that's a complete misunderstanding of my second comment, Christian. Here's what I said on reddit:"And the idea that people shouldn't be able to complain about something that is obviously disgusting them about mainstream comics and prohibiting them from caring about or enjoying these comics is exactly why mainstream comics are in the midst of going through an ungraceful and ugly death."I'm not talking about the blogosphere at all but readers who are told they shouldn't be able to take issue with poor treatment of female characters in comics. It wasn't directed explicitly at DC but at the people who attack readers who voice their dissent and my point is that by shutting these people out, many of whom are either new or lapsed readers, we are effectively increasing the hostility that many people feel comic fandom is full of. In that same comment I then went on to question why comic fans are so resistant to doing anything that would make comic fandom a more hospitable place.We all work in the same industry here, so I figure there's no real reason any of us would want this industry to continue to lose readers, which makes this something more than just a DC issue and definitely something more than a plea for comic companies to simply listen to "the blogosphere." I'm also available all the time on DM and through Comics Bulletin, so there's no real reason to distort random reddit quotes either. Although I do appreciate the novelty of constructing an article almost exclusively from what went on in the past week on r/comicbooks.-Nick

what I, and some others, do not understand about this argument is how does adding more T&A take comics out of the mainstream? I'm watching TV right now, network TV, and if sexualizing women is bad for business then the TV fad is on its way out.
as with movies and music and video games

also, are 3 (assuming Voodoo) DC comic books that sexualize women out of 8 women focused books really that big of a deal? What should a T+ book be about to attract the T+ (my guess 13 and up...mostly boys) market?

[Herald]

sure, right after he tells me that golf TV ratings and tournament attendances are STILL exponentially higher when he's playing in a tournament than when he isn't.

If he told you that, he'd be desperately trying to avoid the important facts. He hasn't been playing as phenominally as he once did, so less people are interested. And all the TV ratings and attendances doesn't earn him any more coin; they're a bonanza for the TV companies and golf clubs. Is he really getting invited to any more events than any other top golfer?? I think not.

it may be b/c they want to see him crash and burn, but people still want to see him. and it ain't like he's hurting for money.

I don't care who you are; when you aren't getting tons of money to make fluff commercials, that HURTS.

[S.F. Jude Terror]

Is there anyone on the internet as consistently pompous about wrong arguments as Herald?

[Herald]

Is there anyone on the internet as consistently pompous about wrong arguments as Herald?

You and Punchy, for starters.
If you want the rest of the list, you'll have to pay me a large sum per hour to compile it.

[S.F. Jude Terror]

You and Punchy, for starters.
If you want the rest of the list, you'll have to pay me a large sum per hour to compile it.

Hur hur, good comeback.

[ReturnoftheMack]

Don't blame me. I voted for Newton.

[BlueStreak]

Actually, that's a complete misunderstanding of my second comment, Christian. Here's what I said on reddit:"And the idea that people shouldn't be able to complain about something that is obviously disgusting them about mainstream comics and prohibiting them from caring about or enjoying these comics is exactly why mainstream comics are in the midst of going through an ungraceful and ugly death."I'm not talking about the blogosphere at all but readers who are told they shouldn't be able to take issue with poor treatment of female characters in comics. It wasn't directed explicitly at DC but at the people who attack readers who voice their dissent and my point is that by shutting these people out, many of whom are either new or lapsed readers, we are effectively increasing the hostility that many people feel comic fandom is full of. In that same comment I then went on to question why comic fans are so resistant to doing anything that would make comic fandom a more hospitable place.We all work in the same industry here, so I figure there's no real reason any of us would want this industry to continue to lose readers, which makes this something more than just a DC issue and definitely something more than a plea for comic companies to simply listen to "the blogosphere." I'm also available all the time on DM and through Comics Bulletin, so there's no real reason to distort random reddit quotes either. Although I do appreciate the novelty of constructing an article almost exclusively from what went on in the past week on r/comicbooks.-Nick

I'll be honest, I'm not really sure what you're complaining about. I legitimately thought I was speaking well about you and your site by showing that you give a shit about these issues and have been actually speaking out about this issue.

I'll make a note that you think that the comic book industry isn't dying because the publishers aren't listening to the fanbase (which of course is represented by the blogosphere that includes this site, your site and sites far bigger and better than ours) but rather that people are assholes to the people who speak out and encourage change.

[BlueStreak]

The serious posts are the best.



How do some people not get that Blue's tongue is practically sticking THROUGH his cheek in these "articles"? It's called Idiot's Guide Weekly, people...it ain't hard-hitting journalism. :rolleyes:

The internet is serious business, chap. I got a fun email today in which I was called a cunt fourteen times for daring to call the Boobtastic Adventures of Catwoman a crap comic. Of course, he also thought I was a chick, so I guess some of the meaning was lost.

[ReturnoftheMack]

Wait. You're a guy?

[chap22]

Dear Herald,

You are out of your fucking mind if you think Tiger Woods is not still wanted at/does not still get invited to more golf tournaments than "any other top golfer".

Please feel free to return to your usual halfassed comic rant now.

[Herald]

Dear Herald,

You are out of your fucking mind if you think Tiger Woods is not still wanted at/does not still get invited to more golf tournaments than "any other top golfer".

I'm sure that if you did the research, you'd see that I'm right.

Please feel free to return to your usual halfassed comic rant now.

And you to... what DO you do, anyway??

[chap22]

The internet is serious business, chap. I got a fun email today in which I was called a cunt fourteen times for daring to call the Boobtastic Adventures of Catwoman a crap comic. Of course, he also thought I was a chick, so I guess some of the meaning was lost.

Sounds like my old buddy (whose name somehow escapes me now) from old Rama.

[S.F. Jude Terror]

What I like about Herald's particular style of arrogance is that he brags about how good he is at arguing while arguing with you.

[ReturnoftheMack]

What I like about Herald's particular style of arrogance is that he brags about how good he is at arguing while arguing with you.

It's the best part!

He's proud that a whole company hates him.

[SuperginraiX]

It's the best part!

He's proud that a whole company hates him.

That is called victory, sir, and it tastes delicious.