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by **NedPepper** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:14 pm

avengingtitan wrote:Really??? He can do action sure but he just cant act IMHO. I dont think I've seen a well acted movie of his.

Closer. And when I PICTURE James Bond, he looks like Clive Owen.

by **avengingtitan** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:14 pm

Spidey-Man wrote:I think it’s not great for a number of reasons

Regular nick fury is cooler than ultimate nick fury. Especially the fact that he’s been in every major conflict since wwii. Taking him away from that hurts the character imo

Also, Jackson so far is just playing himself. He seems to have no other acting speed, at least these days.

I think stars in these roles are a mistake anyway. Too distracting. They rarely bury themselves in the role

Actually Ultimate Nick Fury has been in the same amount of wars as 616 Nick Fury.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Nick_Fury

Nicholas Fury fought for the United States in World War II. During the invasion of Sicily, he, along with Private Fisk and Canadian paratrooper Corporal Howlett, attempted to loot a house. American military police arrived to arrest them, and all three were subdued. Fisk was grazed by a bullet, while Fury was imprisoned in an unknown location alongside several other black men, and Howlett, despite protests that he was Canadian, was also shipped to an unknown location.[2] Fury was selected to be the next test subject for Project: Rebirth, as his blood work most closely matched that of Subject #22, the most successful of the previous test subjects. He was injected with a serum that gave him super-strength, which he used to free himself and the other prisoners, who then escaped. The scientists who were working on him let him escape, deciding that they have all the information that they needed for now.[3]

by **Greg** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:19 pm

avengingtitan wrote:Thats just code for ugly.

Just means he isn't a pretty boy and has rough features.

by **avengingtitan** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:22 pm

Greg wrote:
Just means he isn't a pretty boy and has rough features.

Yep ugly.

by **NedPepper** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:40 pm

Timbales wrote:Clive Owen is ugly.

Really? I don't know. As one dude to another, I think he's got that rugged handsome thing going.

by **NedPepper** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:42 pm

avengingtitan wrote:Thats just code for ugly.

Or British for handsome. :-D

by **avengingtitan** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:50 pm

NedPepper wrote:
Or British for handsome.

Yea its about the same thing. :-D

by **KingPagla** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:21 pm

Elba would be a great Bond.

Cross racial casting should only be an issue when a character is culturally tied to his Race.

"White" was the default position for a lot of characters in 19th and 20th century fiction and "Whiteness" wasn't an important part of who they were. Cross racial casting is easier with these White-by-default characters.
Characters that weren't White were often defined by their Otherness, so it's a bit harder to replace them with actors of different ethnicities.

I get the Heimdal casting being a problem with the Norse thing, but the Agardians being aliens is way out of that argument. I saw no problem with MCD as Kingpin and would have loved to see Glover as Spidey. I do have a problem with the Jackson Fury but only 'cause being Black creates a major change to his backstory. It means he wasn't a Sargent in WWII leading the Howlers.

by **avengingtitan** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:24 pm

KingPagla wrote:Elba would be a great Bond.

Cross racial casting should only be an issue when a character is culturally tied to his Race.

"White" was the default position for a lot of characters in 19th and 20th century fiction and "Whiteness" wasn't an important part of who they were. Cross racial casting is easier with these White-by-default characters.
Characters that weren't White were often defined by their Otherness, so it's a bit harder to replace them with actors of different ethnicities.

I get the Heimdal casting being a problem with the Norse thing, but the Agardians being aliens is way out of that argument. I saw no problem with MCD as Kingpin and would have loved to see Glover as Spidey. I do have a problem with the Jackson Fury but only 'cause being Black creates a major change to his backstory. It means he wasn't a Sargent in WWII leading the Howlers.

Unless they use the Ultimate version and then its kinda in there.

by **Chris** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:25 pm

The only one I have ever had an issue with was Glover as Spider-Man. Other than that, I agree with Pagla.

by **ReturnoftheMack** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:29 pm

Holland Oats wrote:The only one I have ever had an issue with was Glover as Spider-Man. Other than that, I agree with Pagla.

This.

by **avengingtitan** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:34 pm

Holland Oats wrote:The only one I have ever had an issue with was Glover as Spider-Man. Other than that, I agree with Pagla.

Agreed.

by **Thunderstorm** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:40 pm

There, Tim. Whites aren't 'culturally tied to their race', and this casting idea is ok because of it. Plus several agreements.

by **KingPagla** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:47 pm

avengingtitan wrote:Unless they use the Ultimate version and then its kinda in there.

Well that's the Jackson Fury I was talking about. Probably should referred to him as Ultimate Fury.

by **HNutz** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:52 pm

KingPagla wrote:Elba would be a great Bond.

Cross racial casting should only be an issue when a character is culturally tied to his Race.

"White" was the default position for a lot of characters in 19th and 20th century fiction and "Whiteness" wasn't an important part of who they were. Cross racial casting is easier with these White-by-default characters.
Characters that weren't White were often defined by their Otherness, so it's a bit harder to replace them with actors of different ethnicities.

I get the Heimdal casting being a problem with the Norse thing, but the Agardians being aliens is way out of that argument. I saw no problem with MCD as Kingpin and would have loved to see Glover as Spidey. I do have a problem with the Jackson Fury but only 'cause being Black creates a major change to his backstory. It means he wasn't a Sargent in WWII leading the Howlers.

So you're pretty much okay with them turning any white character black, it sounds like.