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by **The Shadow** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:18 pm

Starlord wrote:No more than Marvel does. They've pulled just as many bone headed moves as DC has. Everybody just seems to have this blinded love for the company so they ignore it. Kind of like a wife who has been beaten by her husband for so many years that she doesn't see it as anything unusual.

But the Marvel boneheaded ideas don't tend to have the universal ramifications that the DC ones do.

Crisis, Zero Hour, Identity Crisis, Final Crisis, the new 52 and so on... nothing Marvel has done has had that big an impact.

Spidey being unmarried? Only really affected the Spidey books. Jean Grey in a cocoon? Only really affected the X-Men books. No more mutants? Only really affected the X-Men books.

Crisis? Everything. Zero Hour? Everything. Identity Crisis? Everyone. Final Crisis? Everything. The new 52? Everyone AND everything.

by **The Shadow** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:22 pm

xaraan wrote: I also think that charging three to four bucks for a digital comic is about the dumbest thing in the world. The hardcore collectors are going to keep buying monthlies, trades will still sell in book stores; but if you really want "new readers" then make your digital content accessible.

Agree totally.

They digitals should be $1.00... up the price once you have the foothold. But if you want to attract younger readers charging the same as the expensive paper copies is dumb beyond belief.

by **Punchy** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:22 pm

The Shadow wrote:But the Marvel boneheaded ideas don't tend to have the universal ramifications that the DC ones do.

Crisis, Zero Hour, Identity Crisis, Final Crisis, the new 52 and so on... nothing Marvel has done has had that big an impact.

Spidey being unmarried? Only really affected the Spidey books. Jean Grey in a cocoon? Only really affected the X-Men books. No more mutants? Only really affected the X-Men books.

Crisis? Everything. Zero Hour? Everything. Identity Crisis? Everyone. Final Crisis? Everything. The new 52? Everyone AND everything.

Yep, that's the thing, if you were pissed off by OMD, it didn't mean you couldn't read X-Men or Thunderbolts or Daredevil anymore, but if this reboot pisses you off... you got nothing.

by **The Shadow** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:08 pm

Punchy wrote:
Yep, that's the thing, if you were pissed off by OMD, it didn't mean you couldn't read X-Men or Thunderbolts or Daredevil anymore, but if this reboot pisses you off... you got nothing.

Truthfully I've always liked DC as much as Marvel. When all my Marvel Zombie friends were reading 5 books a month I was so crazy for comics that I was also reading any DC books I could get my hands on too... so from the beginning I've always liked both.

HOWEVER, I think the less intrusive way Marvel tweaks continuity and does their events is a better model than what DC does.

by **Strict31** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:00 pm

Dragavon wrote:Marvel hasn't pulled the sheer volume of stupid moves that DC had. Be a DC apologist if you want to. But keep in mind why Marvel consistently beat DC in sales for the last decade.

It's because of fanboys.

Jesus fuckin' Christ, I will never understand the mentality of folks who are all, "Marvel is better than DC," or "DC is better than Marvel."

They both tell dipshit stories about muscle-dudes in fuckin' tights. One is into nostalgia for the sake of it, but the other is into darkness for the sake of it. There have been great books and great story arcs and great characters from both. And both have crapped out pure horseshit.

by **alaska1125** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:39 am

The issue that got me solidly into DC Comics? Justice League of America #200. Rereading it right now, this was a book that did it right. It gave you the run down of the lineup in the first few pages and then just let the story roll. 72 pages of JLA greatness...good times. The first issue of our DCnU JLA? I get it....decompressed for future trades. But that isn't " new reader friendly", it's just old reader "check this out in collected form". Just my two cents.