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by **Rockman** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:19 pm

oh and the movie was crap. Zack Snyder is a creative black hole.

by **Miracloman** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:24 pm

cncoyle wrote:well fuck yeah, the Guginos are awesomeFixed.

Because that's the only thing in this thread that interest me.

by **Doc Jon** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:27 pm

chap22 wrote:EVERY Joker story since 1989 has been Killing Joke 2, what's your point?

Wouldn't that prove the point, that it only serves to dilute what was a great story.

Much like Bats kicking Superman's ass every other month since DKR?

by **chap22** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:45 pm

Doc Jon wrote:
Wouldn't that prove the point, that it only serves to dilute what was a great story.

Much like Bats kicking Superman's ass every other month since DKR?

i don't think it dilutes Killing Joke (another "comics classic" that is wildly overrated, btw), but it does make all those stories that followed it that are basically rip-offs/continuations/"oooh let's see if we can make Joker do something that much sicker" all the weaker by comparison simply b/c they are showing how unoriginal and uncreative they are.

but at the same time, some of those KJ2's were actually pretty good, so who the fuck cares? if somebody has a GOOD idea for a Watchmen prequel/sequel, then have at it. (i doubt they do, but...) like has been mentioned earlier, this idea of it as a sacred cow is crap and just feeds further into the egotism of The Beard.

by **Doc Jon** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:53 pm

chap22 wrote:i don't think it dilutes Killing Joke (another "comics classic" that is wildly overrated, btw), but it does make all those stories that followed it that are basically rip-offs/continuations/"oooh let's see if we can make Joker do something that much sicker" all the weaker by comparison simply b/c they are showing how unoriginal and uncreative they are.

but at the same time, some of those KJ2's were actually pretty good, so who the fuck cares? if somebody has a GOOD idea for a Watchmen prequel/sequel, then have at it. (i doubt they do, but...) like has been mentioned earlier, this idea of it as a sacred cow is crap and just feeds further into the egotism of The Beard.

Or not everything has to be a franchise.

It is ok to leave things alone sometimes. I bet Miller thought that sequel idea to DKR was good. And someone thought Highlander 2 was a good idea.

The very obvious driving force behind this is money (which I have nothing against), but let's not fool ourselves that this is some creative impetus.

I'd rather companies develop new and exciting stories and characters rather than just strip-mine everything for every dime they can squeeze out of it.

by **Cat-Scratch** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:34 pm

Miracloman wrote:

Because that's the only thing in this thread that interest me.

Thank YOU!!! :-D

by **mrorangesoda** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:29 pm

cncoyle wrote:I've said it before - quit treating Watchmen like it is some sacred cow.

I agree on many levels. To be honest, I've kind of lost my taste for the work. I've come to view Watchmen a lot like Citizen Kane- it did many things on a technical level that are amazing and inspiring and they did it first, but IMO it's not the best work of those involved (though they're often defined by it) and is something I don't have a lot of desire to experience regularly.

by **GHERU** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:48 pm

DMM wrote:I know everybody picks on Moore, and many claim the movie was good, but I just want to profess my love of and loyalty to Moore, and make out clear that I thought the Watchmen movie sucked ass.

what was the most recent thing you've read by him? Cause he's churned out some steaming piles of shit in the past 5+ years

by **mrorangesoda** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:50 pm

GHERU wrote:what was the most recent thing you've read by him? Cause he's churned out some steaming piles of shit in the past 5+ years

Some people like fish porn :smt102

by **GHERU** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:51 pm

chap22 wrote:"fuck you" is vastly overrated as an insult too.

but not as overrated as Watchmen.

by **GHERU** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:51 pm

cncoyle wrote:I do have to say that Watchmen isn't nearly as overrated as Scott Pilgrim.

by **Jubilee** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:52 pm

Even if you only appreciate it on a technical level, do you not think that it works so well as it's one of the only mainstream comics not tainted by a sequel.

I mean imagine the shit if JKRowling went back to Harry Potter. Or how people here regularly argue the prequels ruined Star Wars for them. Do we not want these companies to hold to some creative ideal?

by **GHERU** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:54 pm

Although I do love Watchmen the book, and I liked the movie enough, I can see why some people see the comic as overrated.

For me, when I first read Watchmen I had just started reading non-superhero stuff and it was a jolt to my system. It is still one of the first books I give people who want to "try" a comic, because I see it as the easiest book to jump into that shows what comics can do as a story telling tool.

by **Cat-Scratch** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:00 pm

I liked the V For Vendetta GN more then the Watchmen GN. I also enjoyed Batman Year One GN more then Watchmen too.

For me, Watchmen felt being forced on me by the shops and other fans going on and on and on about it. It's good, maybe even great but honestly... not the greatest.

My choice for greatest GN is Katsuhiro Otomo's Domu: A Child's Dream.